SENATE BILL: 5th Amendment to the Proportional Representation Act (law'd)

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Aye

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

In this world where I am elected President, I assume Cincinnatus would take over if I died.

That is why we have a Vice President, no?

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

In this world where I am elected President, I assume Cincinnatus would take over if I died.

That is why we have a Vice President, no?

I am pretty sure you getting elected would make Cincinnatus VP so how could he replace you in the Senate if he is VP?

I misread you. For some reason, I was assuming you meant if I was elected President and disappeared, someone would replace me with JCL. I have spent the better part of the past 3 days in the hospital with my grandfather, so bear with me.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

There are pros and cons to both sides of this proposal. One the one hand, you're right in that allowing party chairmen to appoint senators can lead to abuse. Someone like me could be elected to office and then could be replaced by someone much more conservative. I understand that. On the other hand, adopting the at-large election proposal would leave the larger parties with an inherent advantage over anyone else. We are already seeing Atlasia moving towards a two party system, and this amendment will just hasten the process.

The Officepark appointment was not a good one, and I have been disappointed with how he has not shown up to participate at all in the senate. I forgot how he even got into the senate, but I wasn't the one who appointed him. Keep in mind that appointment was not made by a party chair. I was never asked about it, nor am I aware that Yankee had a hand at selecting him. That was a mideast issue.

It all comes down to which camp you are in. Homecooking's resignation and the special election that ensued essentially killed the CID. We can only speculate whether they could have survived had they been able to appoint someone. But they knew they had no chance at retaining the seat they had just won in a special election. I am more inclined to allow the chairmen to appoint a member. If it is abused, we can always change course.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The CID was not responsible for holding JBrase's seat. He got first preferences from the RPP, CID, and remaining Populares. I would consider the CID a small party when you compare them to the JCP or RPP. I don't remember their total, but it wasn't more than 15 or so I believe. I have no idea if they would still be around if they had been allowed to appoint someone to Homely's seat, but I would infer that they would be.

I laid out why the people shouldn't believe this is some bipartisan backup plan. Frankly, bgwah doesn't need this amendment because the JCP can easily hold Snowguy's seat should he win in October. I think he is pursuing it for the right reasons listed above.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The CID was not responsible for holding JBrase's seat. He got first preferences from the RPP, CID, and remaining Populares. I would consider the CID a small party when you compare them to the JCP or RPP. I don't remember their ember total, but it wasn't more than 15 or so I believe. I have no idea if they would still be around if they had been allowed to appoint someone to Homely's seat, but I would infer that they would be.

I laid out why the people shouldn't believe this is some bipartisan backup plan. Frankly, bgwah doesn't need this amendment because the JCP can easily hold Snowguy's seat should he win in October. I think he is pursuing it for the right reasons listed above.

The JCP didn't hold Oakvale's seat.

That was an exception to the rule.

At any rate, again, both sides have their arguments, but I believe the current amendment on the table tackles it as well as it can. As I said, if it looks like there is abuse, we can quickly ram through an amendment to stop it.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

In this world where I am elected President, I assume Cincinnatus would take over if I died.

That is why we have a Vice President, no?

You know the difference between presidential/vice presidential and senatorial elections, don't you?

Yes, see above.

Anyway, partisan appointments are against Democracy. Period.

Is Atlasia a democracy? I agree the idea is not democratic, and if that is the aim of the bill, it fails miserable. If the aim of this bill is to help the game, then it is okay with me.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The way the RPP handles things like this is to appoint someone who fits in ideologically with the person who they are replacing. At least whenever we have discussed it in the past that is what we want to do.

And keep in mind I don't support appointments if we are 20% into the term. This is just for people like homely who resigned immediately. I think it's really inefficient to have an election right after an election has ended.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I oppose allowing the second place guy to take office. That's ridiculous.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Aye