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IceSpear
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« on: June 05, 2016, 08:36:14 PM »

I doubt he'll continue to persist in the "contested convention" fantasy once the entire weight of the Democratic Party, including Obama and Biden, bears down in support of Hillary and her win is no longer theoretical, but official. There will even be dissent within his own campaign and among many of his allies (MoveOn has disavowed his strategy of going after superdelegates, for example.) There's also the question of whether or not he even means it, or is simply saying it to ensure his voters turn out in the upcoming contests.

It would also be a particularly stupid move on his part to not concede. He can choose to be the leader of a progressive movement in the country by increasing his stature in the Senate and increasing his influence on the process and the platform. Or he can become leader of the Reddit cultists, lose all leverage, get all his potential changes voted down at the DNC, and spend the final years of his career as a pariah in the Senate, possibly even getting stripped of committee assignments, and seen as even worse than Nader by the vast majority of Democrats if god forbid Trump won. Seems like quite a simple choice.

Though if he does act like a sore loser and tries to overturn democracy, I'll admit I was wrong, lose all respect for him, and likely join the Landslide Lyndon/Lyin Steve hatred crew.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2016, 11:20:02 PM »

Bernie has the right to be heard and his issues thrashed out at the Convention. But he will do his long-term brand no good by trying to push this 'contested convention' BS any further.

I've never hated him, ever. But his strategy, which includes misleading his supporters and his campaign lying to them, has made me lose respect. A strong endorsement would absolutely restore that support.

I find it really strange that despite losing (and having still done well) that all the responsibility for reconciliation rests with Hillary. In 2008 Bill and Hillary were expected to do their part, and their endorsements and the rejection of the PUMA faction beyond insisting for catharsis was key to healing the wounds. Bernie's supporters deserve to be heard and the respected, but he also has a responsibility to urge unity and a positive endorsement of Hillary, not just a "she's better than Trump" speech.

So, Bernie getting 'nothing' would be silly and damaging, but he's not in the position to DEMAND anything more than a fair hearing and the representation on the DNC committee that he received.

I would certainly regain some respect for him if he started acting like an adult again and bit the bullet. I guess we'll just have to wait and see which side of the Bernie coin will land face up.

For me, it would take a lot more than a mere enthusiastic endorsement to undo the last year, and particularly the last six weeks, of obscene behavior.  Bernie has intentionally systematically poisoned the attitudes of an entire generation of young people who are just getting involved in politics towards the Democratic party and made a strong effort to convince them that the party is riddled with corruption, the election is rigged against their interests, most of its politicians are lying, bought-and-paid-for establishment shills, and its nominee is... well, too many things to list really.  I want to see him make a sincere and enthusiastic effort to undo the toxic, negative effect he has had on the party and on our democratic system in general in the minds of all these impressionable kids.  You can't just burn down my house, shoot my dog, and then leave a 20 dollar bill on what's left of my porch and expect me to call it even.

To be fair, most of that stuff you listed was propagated by the cult and their bubble, not Sanders himself. I do agree he should've been much stronger in condemning the deranged extremist elements of his support, but the vast majority of politicians refuse to do so in similar situations. And since I never saw Bernie as anything other than a politician (unlike many others), I don't really hold a grudge against him for it.
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