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IceSpear
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« on: May 30, 2016, 05:32:40 AM »

This ad sucks.  I could make an ad of Hillary saying "we have to stand up for what we believe in" and show a picture of George Wallace standing in front of the schoolhouse door, it's the exact same thing.  The only reason it works is because people already think Trump is a racist so they can reach for this to confirm their point of view.

That's true, but it wouldn't be nearly as effective. Many people already see Trump as bigoted to various degrees. The deportations, the Muslim ban, the black people getting beat up on video at his rallies, the resistance to condemning his white supremacist support, etc, etc. An ad like this with his not-so-positive statements synced to supporting scenes would do a lot better of a job reinforcing existing views than audio clips of someone else would.

Exactly, all it does is reinforce views that people already have.  If you already think Trump is a racist, you'll love an ad that plays Trump's words over videos of actual racism.  If you're like me and you don't think Trump is a racist (although his resistance to condemning white supremacists is inexcusable), you look at the same ad and think it's not only silly but reveals how absurd it is to equate Trump with the very real racism on display.

Wallace '68: "Don't worry guys, he doesn't really mean it!"
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IceSpear
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2016, 02:08:33 PM »

This ad sucks.  I could make an ad of Hillary saying "we have to stand up for what we believe in" and show a picture of George Wallace standing in front of the schoolhouse door, it's the exact same thing.  The only reason it works is because people already think Trump is a racist so they can reach for this to confirm their point of view.

That's true, but it wouldn't be nearly as effective. Many people already see Trump as bigoted to various degrees. The deportations, the Muslim ban, the black people getting beat up on video at his rallies, the resistance to condemning his white supremacist support, etc, etc. An ad like this with his not-so-positive statements synced to supporting scenes would do a lot better of a job reinforcing existing views than audio clips of someone else would.

Exactly, all it does is reinforce views that people already have.  If you already think Trump is a racist, you'll love an ad that plays Trump's words over videos of actual racism.  If you're like me and you don't think Trump is a racist (although his resistance to condemning white supremacists is inexcusable), you look at the same ad and think it's not only silly but reveals how absurd it is to equate Trump with the very real racism on display.

Wallace '68: "Don't worry guys, he doesn't really mean it!"



There's a big difference between the proud, in-your-face segregationist, racist attitudes of George Wallace and the top-secret racist views the left claims only they, the experts on race, can discern from Donald Trump's words.

Clearly, the only way you can be racist is if you use racial slurs or support segregation. Roll Eyes

No offense, but someone from lily white Idaho where the population looks like the inside of their potatoes may not be the best person to recognize someone who is clearly stoking racial resentment for political gain. It really doesn't matter whether or not he personally is a racist in his private views (Wallace wasn't, he simply vowed to never be "outned again.")
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IceSpear
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2016, 02:45:38 PM »

This ad sucks.  I could make an ad of Hillary saying "we have to stand up for what we believe in" and show a picture of George Wallace standing in front of the schoolhouse door, it's the exact same thing.  The only reason it works is because people already think Trump is a racist so they can reach for this to confirm their point of view.

That's true, but it wouldn't be nearly as effective. Many people already see Trump as bigoted to various degrees. The deportations, the Muslim ban, the black people getting beat up on video at his rallies, the resistance to condemning his white supremacist support, etc, etc. An ad like this with his not-so-positive statements synced to supporting scenes would do a lot better of a job reinforcing existing views than audio clips of someone else would.

Exactly, all it does is reinforce views that people already have.  If you already think Trump is a racist, you'll love an ad that plays Trump's words over videos of actual racism.  If you're like me and you don't think Trump is a racist (although his resistance to condemning white supremacists is inexcusable), you look at the same ad and think it's not only silly but reveals how absurd it is to equate Trump with the very real racism on display.

Wallace '68: "Don't worry guys, he doesn't really mean it!"



There's a big difference between the proud, in-your-face segregationist, racist attitudes of George Wallace and the top-secret racist views the left claims only they, the experts on race, can discern from Donald Trump's words.

Clearly, the only way you can be racist is if you use racial slurs or support segregation. Roll Eyes

No offense, but someone from lily white Idaho where the population looks like the inside of their potatoes may not be the best person to recognize someone who is clearly stoking racial resentment for political gain. It really doesn't matter whether or not he personally is a racist in his private views (Wallace wasn't, he simply vowed to never be "outned again.")

I think that's the third time in the last few days someone's switched from saying that Trump is a racist to saying that Trump "stokes racial sentiments."  I'd like to hear someone give an example of anti-illegal-immigration rhetoric a politician could use that wouldn't lead them to be accused of "stoking racial sentiments."  Or is simply taking that position the same thing as being George Wallace now?

Also, offense taken, there's no need to get personal.  I was born and raised in Raleigh.  Not that it should matter.  Even if I'd never been outside of Coeur d'Alene I'd still be able to use my head and understand the world.

If you don't see how condemning all Mexican illegal immigrants as rapists and drug lords/ banning people of an entire religion from entering the country because a minority of them are terrorists is stoking racial resentment, I don't know what to tell you.

It's a distinction without a difference, really. Do I think Trump is personally racist? Not really, but very few if any people besides himself know that for sure. I do know he plays one on TV to absorb the votes of the lowest common denominator. And that's what is really important.
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