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IceSpear
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« on: April 16, 2016, 02:19:07 PM »

Yes (not a hack)

First of all, Obama himself even admitted the media was in the tank against her in 08, and that his campaign used it to his advantage. Of course, everyone who wasn't delusional already knew it, but it was nice to close the case on that matter for good.

Secondly, remember "dead broke"? Yes, it was a dumb gaffe, but the media was literally talking about it for like a year as if it was some epic event. It would've been a week long story at most for any other politician.

Oh emailgate...literally nobody cared about this until she ran for president. Thousands of people in the government, including many of the now "indignant" Republicans, knew she was using a private email and nobody cared. But the NYT needed a new faux scandal for their precious horse race, precious right wing clicks, that sweet ad revenue, and to fulfill their vendetta. Thus, emailgate was born. And that's not even the end of it. Even if you assume emailgate is a legitimate issue, it would've been a month long issue at most for any other politician. Not only have they been spamming it for over a year, they've already tried her in the court of public opinion as a corrupt guilty criminal bitch who will soon be indicted, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary. Contrast it with Rick Perry literally being indicted, when the media and all the "liberal pundits" leapt to his defense and talked about how mean the prosecution was being to poor innocent Rick Perry. Roll Eyes

I disagree with you on Sanders though. The press doesn't care for him personally, they only "like" him as a vehicle with which they can damage their nemesis. They'd turn on him in an instant and savagely rip him to shreds like a pack of rabid hyenas if he actually won the nomination. Compare it to 08. Back then they LOVED Obama AND hated Hillary, so it was double trouble for her. Now it's basically just hating Hillary, and Bernie is their only option to hurt her. Remember when they acted like O'Malley and Chafee would hurt Hillary? Remember them pleading on their hands and knees for Joe Biden to enter? And even outright lying about the fact that he was definitely running based on his son's death just to try to force him in the race? That was sickening. There's clearly no lengths the media will not go to to try to destroy Hillary Clinton.

Partly it's because some people always at least have their partisan media outlets to defend them. While the right wing media is obviously going to attack Hillary, the "non partisan" functions as their subsidiary while the left wing media is too busy trying to tear her down as a far right corporate shill to prop up their preferred candidate at the time, leaving her with no natural defenders.

In addition to Lyndon's chart, here's some more evidence:

Pundit: "Yes, the media is sexist, but deal with it"
Joe Scarborough: MSNBC was biased against Hillary in 08
Gallup poll: Hillary by far treated the most unfairly in 08, according to voters
FiveThirtyEight: Hillary's nearly endless streak of negative media coverage
Sexist comments by male pundits in 08 highlights

Of course, even if every TV anchor and columnist publicly stated that Hillary Clinton is a c*nt on live TV, many of the hacks here would still live in their own fantasy world.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2016, 03:02:15 PM »

Except a good portion of that is from 2008, IceSpear, when Obama eventually became the establishment candidate. In 2016, Hillary Clinton is still the establishment.

She was the "establishment candidate" in 2007, and they still despised her. And there are multiple sources showing the intense negative coverage this cycle as well.

She's pretty hostile with the media to begin with. Remember the ropeline she used for the press at her events and she hasn't held a press conference in months.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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IceSpear
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2016, 02:21:38 PM »

I disagree with Hillary lovers here.

Sure, she was treated unfairly in 2008, but we all loved Obama then, so the unfair treatment was entirely justified. I mean, Obama was so much better than Hillary (and still is).

Roll Eyes

She has not been treated unfairly in this cycle. Her scandals are swept under the rug, her failings are overlooked. She is the establishment and the media candidate now, which makes her so much more formidable.

But at the same time, she is flawed. Rotten to the core. And that's why she's having trouble. It's not the media. It's all her. The media are actually helping her at every opportunity.

Let me just give you one example that the media are in the tank for her. Remember her speeches for which she was paid a quarter of a million apiece? Back in November 2014 I used that as my chief argument for why I thought she would not be running. I reckoned, it would be extremely difficult for her to explain why she kept having those highly paid speeches if she had decided she was going to run. I believed then that if she did that, she would be destroyed by the media.
But no. The media have not asked her a single meaningful question about those speeches. Were those speeches some kind of a bribe by wealthy donors so she would do their bidding once elected? I mean, I wouldn't let up on this if I were the media until I destroyed her completely.

So, the media have been treating Hillary unfairly positively, so far.

Uh, they've asked her about the paid speeches in most of the debates so far, and in many of the forums, and she's taken a lot of hits for it. I don't know what more you expect them to do. They've certainly gone further after her than they did for Romney and his tax returns, where they harassed him for a month then never mentioned the subject again for the rest of the campaign.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2016, 02:23:46 PM »

You know, when one is complaining about media bias then that tends to be a sign that one's candidate or party of choice is in electoral difficulty. Hilary supporters wouldn't have a word to say about the media if she were clearly heading for a double-digit landslide (which, given her likely opponents, she should be), nor would TRUMP supporters be complaining about the media if he had the nomination sewn up already.

Nope. I was complaining about the media's bias way back when she was leading by 50 points in the primary and double digits in the general.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2016, 07:44:14 PM »

When was the last time anyone saw a positive story about Hillary in the media?

Don't be a hack. Everyone knows one positive Hillary story a month is "fair and balanced."

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