Iowa Democratic County Convention Results- Where to find??

[IceSpear]

Shows the Bernie folks' complete disrespect of democracy. Reminds me of Ron Paul supporters in '12.

Well, if we're going to now disregard the will of the voters, I guess this means superdelegates are perfectly fine. So it works out for her either way.

[IceSpear]

And the Bernie Sanders campaign is publicly crying fraud after their attempts to overturn the democratic caucus result was beaten back: https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/708792355076177920

What a disgusting bunch of anti-democratic thugs these little children are.

Wow, that's really disturbing. Normally I tune out all or most of the Hillary vs. Bernie stuff since it's usually trivial BS, but Bernie trying to steal an election makes me lose a lot of respect for him. Neither he nor any of his supporters that approve of or tacitly accept this no longer have any room to complain about superdelegates, and I hope they double down in their support for Hillary no matter what.

[IceSpear]

Shows the Bernie folks' complete disrespect of democracy. Reminds me of Ron Paul supporters in '12.

Come on, a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Bernie, just like 8 years ago a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Obama.

A comment like that says you fundamentally have no regard for the democratic process.

If you support sequestering people for 8 hours because you don't like the vote, then you are the one with no regard for the democratic process.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The caucus system is undemocratic as it is, but overturning the result at higher level conventions removes any semblance of democracy from it.

Bernie would easily win Iowa if it voted today.

Who cares? That's not how democracy and elections work.

[IceSpear]

Shows the Bernie folks' complete disrespect of democracy. Reminds me of Ron Paul supporters in '12.

Come on, a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Bernie, just like 8 years ago a lot of Hillary supporters switched to supporting Obama.

A comment like that says you fundamentally have no regard for the democratic process.

If you support sequestering people for 8 hours because you don't like the vote, then you are the one with no regard for the democratic process.

I have no idea what you are talking about. The caucus system is undemocratic as it is, but overturning the result at higher level conventions removes any semblance of democracy from it.

Bernie would easily win Iowa if it voted today.

Who cares? That's not how democracy and elections work.

It's how caucuses work. Obama did much better in later rounds 8 years ago.

Then that's just more evidence that caucuses are fundamentally unfair and undemocratic, as if we needed more.

[IceSpear]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

Okay. But you realize that's a majorly bad tradeoff for Bernie, right? If he manages to net a few more delegates from Iowa through nondemocratic means, he loses about 450 more through superdelegates. Really, really dumb for him to not stay above the fray here and accept the will of the voters. He just legitimized the undemocratic system of superdelegates by doing so.

[IceSpear]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

Did you not get the memo from the Sanders campaign? You guys are supposed to love super-delegates now, because he's going to use them to steal the nomination for him.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/politics/bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

Hahahahaha!!!

This is actually...a very strange statement. Bernie's very narrow path to the nomination is to pull off some miracles, pull ahead in pledged delegates and popular vote, and argue to the superdelegates that they should respect the will of the voters. And they would've been under tremendous pressure to do so. But in that statement, he actually seems to legitimize their role in the process. Which makes no sense, because if you do legitimize them, then Hillary is already the nominee.

Extremely odd. I have no idea what he's thinking. Maybe he already knows he's going to lose and wants Iowa as colored Bernie on the election maps for more bragging rights? God only knows.

[IceSpear]

Maybe if we didn't have super delegates I would understand the people on here whining about this.

Did you not get the memo from the Sanders campaign? You guys are supposed to love super-delegates now, because he's going to use them to steal the nomination for him.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/politics/bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

Hahahahaha!!!

This is actually...a very strange statement. Bernie's very narrow path to the nomination is to pull off some miracles, pull ahead in pledged delegates and popular vote, and argue to the superdelegates that they should respect the will of the voters. And they would've been under tremendous pressure to do so. But in that statement, he actually seems to legitimize their role in the process. Which makes no sense, because if you do legitimize them, then Hillary is already the nominee.

Aside from the fact that Hillary is only 52% of the way to 2383 even with supers, this also acts as if the supers are locked in to Hillary. They aren't. They can change their mind at any time, they don't have to wait for Hillary's pledged delegate lead to go away. It's just two differing theories of how to switch them over. Your theory is basically forcing them to choose between voting Sanders or publicly saying they don't care about voters, Sanders's theory is that if he gets "close enough", they can be convinced to vote for him based on an electability argument.

52% of the way, as compared to Bernie's 24% of the way. There's no way to make up that deficit in a proportional system, period. As for the supers switching allegiances en masse just because they have a sudden revelation about him being "more electable"...never gonna happen.

[IceSpear]

Seriously, end caucuses now.

Please. This is utterly ludicrous. I don't know how these travesties of democracy flew under the radar for so long, but I'm glad they're finally getting attention. There's literally no good argument to keep them, other than "muh traditionz"

[IceSpear]

Looks like Clinton 511 County delegates to 503 for Sanders which breakss out to 115-113 state level delegates.  The state delegte equiv's appear to have been 121-105-2 on Election night.  

Wow, that's a huge change.

Trying to see if I can find county delegate data for Polk from Election Day to see if it would give any indication if the change had to do with more Bernie delegates showing up than Clinton ones, or if it would show that some Clinton delegates may have switched.

County Delegates elected from the Polk County precinct caucuses were 638 Clinton, 554 Sanders, 8 O'Malley (1200 total). Only 1040 delegates showed in Polk today. Based on the final count, Sanders lost 45 while Clinton lost 107.

So a net -62 for Hillary, certainly enough to swing the state should things hold relatively the same.

Looks like she picked up ground elsewhere, some slight changes on the CD level, but the state level is basically where we were


http://iowademocrats.org/iowa-democratic-county-convention-results/

Good. It would've been ugly if the results were significantly altered, in either direction.

But apparently, this isn't even Iowa's final form. FFS.

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[IceSpear]

Seriously, end the United States of America now.

Please. This is utterly ludicrous. I don't know how these travesties of democracy flew under the radar for so long, but I'm glad they're finally getting attention. There's literally no good argument to keep them, other than "muh traditionz"

To be fair, pretty much nothing about your country has any good argument to keep it other than "muh traditionz"...

Isn't a literal fascist currently leading the polls in your country? I'd tend to your own garden first.