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IceSpear
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« on: December 11, 2014, 07:28:58 PM »

Didn't Boehner say they'd just pass a short term funding bill if this one fails?
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IceSpear
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 11:03:52 PM »

So did Democrats get anything out of this "deal", or did they completely give away the store? Because from skimming it, it seems as though Republicans got 99% of what they wanted. Hell, they even included Boehner's immigration gambit that only funded the DHS until February so they can begin more extortion in two months. This is just going to embolden them to do the same exact thing again...and again...and again. Somewhere the line has to be drawn.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 11:16:03 PM »


Well, he turned out a lot better than I thought.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2014, 11:22:09 PM »

The Republicans won the election, so let them drive the agenda. Excellent job, Obama, for putting the national interest ahead of petty feuds over minor partisan grievances and compromising like a statesman to avoid a government shutdown.

Obama also won an election with a bigger mandate than they did, but he didn't get to implement his full agenda because there was divided government. And there is still divided government. Meaning neither side should get everything they want. But in this "deal", the Republicans got everything, and Democrats got essentially nothing. The only thing that Democrats got is that now Boehner will have to wait another year before doing yet another extortion gambit. But even that isn't a real victory since he'll be doing it again in two short months, except solely with DHS funding.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2014, 11:23:12 PM »


Is it just me, or did the democrats literally give in to everything the GOP asked....

It's not just you.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2014, 11:45:33 PM »

The Republicans won the election, so let them drive the agenda. Excellent job, Obama, for putting the national interest ahead of petty feuds over minor partisan grievances and compromising like a statesman to avoid a government shutdown.

Obama also won an election with a bigger mandate than they did, but he didn't get to implement his full agenda because there was divided government. And there is still divided government. Meaning neither side should get everything they want.

Because 2012, like 2010, returned divided results at different levels of government. 2014 did not. Had O been at the top of the ticket he probably would have been wiped out too. We are not a majority right now.

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Haven't progressives got the death of Keystone? Executive action on immigration? Reform of police militarization? A presidential opinion on net neutrality? All since the election. They may not have gotten anything from this but time, but to say Obama hasn't given them anything recently would be wrong. And 67 Republicans didn't vote against their leadership on this because it was too conservative... this bill is to the left of where the median House Republican would be, probably.

Is Keystone dead? It seems from the last vote that it will pass once the new Congress convenes. As for the immigration executive order, this very deal is giving Boehner all the cards to confront Obama on the issue in Feburary. After this, I'm skeptical he won't fold. Net neutrality is definitely a big one though, I'll give you that. Though I did just have to check again to make sure this crap sandwich didn't somehow destroy that as well.

As for why 67 Republicans voted against this, I have absolutely no idea. The only thing I can think of is that they're complete morons. And since it was probably people like Gohmert, Stockman, Bachmann, etc. that did so, I'd assume that's a pretty good theory.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2014, 12:30:06 AM »

The Republican nays are unsurprising...the Tea Party hardliners and the people who vote no on everything. But I'm a bit surprised at Hurt, McKinley, and Webster. I always thought they were relatively "establishment".

There's quite a few surprising Democratic yeas, I'm guessing a lot of which were due to WH pressure.
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