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IceSpear
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« on: November 18, 2014, 11:19:45 PM »

The dynasty issue could be potent, but with the Republicans pleading for Jeb to run, I don't think they'll really have any room to talk, especially considering she's only the second Clinton whereas he'd be the third Bush.

As for the intense negatives, that's true as well. But I think that would eventually be true for any Democrat. Whoever the Democratic nominee ends up being, the right wing media/talk radio will gin up tons of hatred somehow and make them unacceptable to ~45% of the country. I mean, look at Al Gore and John Kerry. They're about as inoffensive as you can possibly get, but the right managed to make them into Satan incarnate.
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IceSpear
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E: -6.19, S: -6.43

« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2014, 11:23:03 PM »

Secondly, her negatives are deep. The people who dislike her really dislike her. Her positives, on the other hand, are not so deep. Besides a few people such as IceSpear, myself, and maybe a couple others, not many people will passionately defend her, but there are a lot of lukewarm supporters. I think this is a negative dynamic, because the more people research her, the more general opinion will be driven by those with strong opinions. I don't think many of the people who hate her can be convinced to stop hating her, but she's going to have to gin up her positives and get a critical mass of more than just lukewarm supporters. Yech.
There are quite a few people who really like her.  About half of the Democratic party is firmly on her side if the 2008 primaries are any indication.

Yeah, Hillary's ardent supporters tend not to be an "internet forum crowd" like Obama's were/are. But internet forum support only gets you so far, as Ron Paul can attest.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2014, 04:32:31 PM »


Until then, I see her as liable to going the way of Al Gore, killed by "inevitability" and perceived pretentiousness. Heck Bernie Sanders and O'Malley may as well be the next Bill Bradley.

Actually Gore was trailing by double digits for much of 1998 and 1999, and he ended up with the most votes. In June 1999, Fox had a poll with Bush up 60-28.

60-28? Jeez. That would've been close to a 50 state landslide for Dubya. America truly has become much more polarized in a relatively short period of time.
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IceSpear
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2014, 04:34:15 PM »

Yeah, all the way since 2007 already.

I have a feeling she will start strong (leading the polls now), then collapse towards the end of the actual GE campaign due to all the skeletons that Republicans will bring up (of which she has plenty).

Then, when she's starting to be down in the polls (around the time of the debates), the only thing left for her will be to shed a few tears - like she did ahead of the NH primary - to eek out a small win.
Wouldn't any skeletons have come out in the 2008 primary, or in the last few years in which Republicans have desperately been trying to take her down?

Its not like she's being plucked from obscurity.  She's been in the public spotlight, either as first lady, senator, presidential candidate, or secretary of state for over 2 decades now.

Yeah, I really don't know what people mean when they talk about Hillary's "skeletons". Every single thing about her is out in the open, there's nothing to hide. Why do you think the Republicans are so obsessed with "Benghazi!!1!!!1111!"? It's because it's the only thing they have against her that isn't a 90s rehash.
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