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Alcon
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« on: October 15, 2016, 11:22:27 PM »

silly question...

does that mean they adjusted their result to their concept of likely voters?

this amazingly strict concept would explain the A+ state since nate loves those and the close seeming +4 topline.

also means: if there are as many dems as reps voting, the independents break for hillary.

Not sure what you mean...nearly every poll we're getting these days has a likely voter screen.
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Alcon
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2016, 12:14:28 AM »

Not sure what you mean...nearly every poll we're getting these days has a likely voter screen.

ok...differently:

nearly all the other posts we get assumes there are going to be much more registered dems than reps.

this poll disagrees and shows a nearly equal number of dems and reps...with indies deciding the tie.

and you don't need to answer me anymore, i forgot a little thing...only likely matters now.

which means:

if as many dems than reps are voting ...hillary still is going to win outside of the MOE.

Got you.  Yes, the partisan self-ID on this poll is closer than in most others.  That may suggest that this poll ended up with a slightly more Republican sample than others.

Important note: When you ask someone what party they identify with, it's different than asking them with what party they're registered as.  There are quite a few states where Democrats have a strong registration advantage but do terribly at the Presidential level, like West Virginia and Oklahoma.  There are also states that have no party registration.  Even if you do ask people how they're registered, they often respond with their party self-ID.  Not everyone remembers off-hand which party they're registered with, after all.

Pollsters are reluctant to correct for partisan self-ID, even if they get an unusual-looking result, because unlike demographics -- which are static -- people change their partisan self-IDs as the race changes.  If, say, a bunch of people get upset at Trump and stop IDing as Republicans, you'll start finding polls with fewer Republicans and more Independents.  If this happens, re-weighing the party ID to match the "normal" numbers could give a significant pro-Trump skew.

Hope that answers things.
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Alcon
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2016, 12:10:06 PM »

Not to be hyper-technical, but the margin of error applies to the values of each given choice, not the percentage margin.  That is, the finding is Clinton at 47% +/- 4%, and Trump at 43% +/- 4%.  It's not a 4% lead +/- 4%; the MoE is bigger than that.  This poll is, in fact, within MoE.
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