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Alcon
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« on: January 07, 2015, 03:38:36 PM »

Yes, but we must remember that Muslims=/=terrorists. CrabCake is right- satirise the terrorists, not the whole religion. Sadly, I am seeing some right wing outlets in the US paint the magazine as a anti-Muslim outfit that affirms their prejudiced views- never mind their strident anti-Christian views.

I get what you're trying to say here, but I think we have to be really careful with the distinction between criticizing Islam and criticizing "all Muslims."  These are way different ideas, and I often see people treating them as the same.  There are obviously some Muslims with totally unproblematic theological views.  Does that make it unfair to criticize Islam generally?  I don't think so.  In some cases, the problematic theological views are majority views in many (or even most) countries.  I think it's totally reasonable -- even responsible -- to note that these being common views doesn't make them universal.  Ditto for noting that most Muslims who hold theologically troubling views never commit acts of violence.  But I've also seen people take this further, and claim that troubling theological views are rare because few people commit violence (demonstrably untrue); or that these views have nothing to do with religion (ridiculous); or that it's unfair to criticize a religion for beliefs in it that aren't completely universal (totally impractical).

(edit: yikes, that was a long paragraph.  I hope you get the general idea...)
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Alcon
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2015, 04:31:07 PM »

I've been asked to lock this thread in order to prevent it from devolving into a nasty polemic. This is not what this thread should be about. While I'd like to avoid going so far, please try to show some respect and dignity.

Exactly what are you saying is off-limits here?  Do you want us to only discuss the facts of the case, and not the cultural/political issues underlying it?  I'm totally fine with splitting the discussion, but I'm a little annoyed by the idea that discussing those issues is disrespectful or undignified, even when it's in a thread about the attack.  I also imagine the people who were killed in this attack would be even more annoyed by that sentiment than I am.
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Alcon
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2015, 04:37:17 PM »

Anyone feel free to start a thread in the political debate board. That might be better indeed. This thread will remain focused on mourning and celebrating the legacy of the good people who died today.

You don't find it at all ironic that you're asking us to celebrate the legacy of these folks while you're claiming it's "undignified' to discuss controversial social/political issues in this thread?  Discussing controversial social/political issues, even when it made people uncomfortable, is their legacy.

Again, I guess I'm fine with splitting the discussion -- free free to split this post to a new thread, even -- but calling the discussion "undignified" or "disrespectful" is...wow, dude.
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Alcon
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2015, 01:53:39 AM »

The way this thread is starting to derail was sadly predictable.

Why is it sad?  Why is it predictable?  What do you mean?
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