Do many Democrats refuse to live in suburbs?

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Yes, I know this poll sounds like it's self-parody almost however...

The suburbs immediately bordering Minneapolis are fairly Democratic, but they're not as Democratic as anywhere inside Minneapolis. And there is very little difference between them and the parts of Minneapolis proper they border. If it wasn't for the signs, you couldn't tell the block on one side of the street is a suburb and the one on the other side is part of a major urban area.

So are there many Democrats with my attitude who are refusing to live on the suburban side of the street and living on the Minneapolis side only so they can say they live in Minneapolis?

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For those with kids, it's driven by school districts.

There's a huge difference between the schools in Richfield and the schools in the super-wealthy parts of southwest Minneapolis? I doubt it.

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For those with kids, it's driven by school districts.

There's a huge difference between the schools in Richfield and the schools in the super-wealthy parts of southwest Minneapolis? I doubt it.

Minneapolis is the exception which proves the rule of course, and I give you no small measure of credit in effecting that BRTD.

Hey, in the LA area, some parts of the City "look" like suburbs, and some of the suburbs "look" like the City. Figure that one out.

That still doesn't explain then why said super-wealthy parts are more Democratic than middle-class Richfield, not to mention far more Democratic than comparable wealthy suburbs. I suppose the Jews have a bit to do with it. Though that returns to the original question of why they aren't living in the wealthy suburbs.

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Many Democrats can't afford to live in suburbs.  A big part of the reason cities are so Democratic is the ghetto.

No. A lot of the Democrats are so poor that they have to live in the ghetto and can't afford to live in safe, clean suburb.

Did either of you read the post? (Well I guess the answer is Duke's case in obvious since he's an idiot who never reads crap and just got brutally fucking owned by Mikado). I'm talking about suburbs that border the city and are basically indistinguishable from the parts of the city they border. It'd be absolutely impossible to tell what is part of Edina or Richfield and what's part of southwest Minneapolis in that area if it wasn't for the signs labeling when you enter the next city, same with northeast Minneapolis and Columbia Heights. So in other words Duke is just being his usual idiotic braindead self.

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I doubt many consciously refuse to, but many are probably unable to or find them unappealing due to racial or socio-economic reasons, as opposed to the fact that they´re suburbs. Thus it´s characteristics assoicated with subrubs that make them unappealing to some groups that tend to vote democratic, not the fact that suburbs are suburbs.

However does that apply to areas where the city and suburbs border and both areas are practically indistinguishable from each other?

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If they're indistinguisable they're not really suburbs as we know them.

The parts of Minneapolis they border are basically suburban, as is almost all of Minneapolis south of Lake Street.

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What

this is what Minneapolis south of Lake Street looks like.

It's still extremely Democratic. The actual suburbs that look the same way aren't. Hence the question.

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That still doesn't explain why Republicans would care more about school districts.

I also don't understand why people rave about schools in their pro-suburb arguments. Why the f**k should I, a single, childless college graduate, care one iota about what school district I live in?

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If you are buying property you better f***ing care.

Not happening. For a very long time. As I said above, if I ever buy anything it'll be a loft. Homeownership isn't a big priority for your average 24 year old.

If you are renting it doesn't really make any sense and yeah perhaps you should live in the hood if you do not mind getting a stray bullet all up in yo face.

Where are the stray bullets? I've never encountered one in the city. Though I don't really live in the hood. I live in a white enclave surrounded by slums.

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If you are buying property you better f***ing care.

Not happening. For a very long time. As I said above, if I ever buy anything it'll be a loft. Homeownership isn't a big priority for your average 24 year old.

If you are renting it doesn't really make any sense and yeah perhaps you should live in the hood if you do not mind getting a stray bullet all up in yo face.

Where are the stray bullets? I've never encountered one in the city. Though I don't really live in the hood. I live in a white enclave surrounded by slums.

Well you are right that it would not matter where you live when you are renting but it is always better to buy. If one day I have an opportunity to buy I will probably buy a condo even if I do not have a family. But yeah for now it would be interesting to live in the city but that is not always where the jobs are. For me the priority will be to stay close to my job as gas prices will continue to go through the roof. The city is a good place to visit and spend time in but not necessarily the best place to live.

No it necessarily is the best place to live. What would I do if I lived in the suburbs? I'd be bored out of my mind. Plus I'd be driving to the city every time I wanted to do something fun which is hardly efficient either. My current situation (in the city 10 miles from my job.) fits me perfectly.

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If you are buying property you better f***ing care.

Not happening. For a very long time. As I said above, if I ever buy anything it'll be a loft. Homeownership isn't a big priority for your average 24 year old.

If you are renting it doesn't really make any sense and yeah perhaps you should live in the hood if you do not mind getting a stray bullet all up in yo face.

Where are the stray bullets? I've never encountered one in the city. Though I don't really live in the hood. I live in a white enclave surrounded by slums.

Well you are right that it would not matter where you live when you are renting but it is always better to buy. If one day I have an opportunity to buy I will probably buy a condo even if I do not have a family. But yeah for now it would be interesting to live in the city but that is not always where the jobs are. For me the priority will be to stay close to my job as gas prices will continue to go through the roof. The city is a good place to visit and spend time in but not necessarily the best place to live.

No it necessarily is the best place to live. What would I do if I lived in the suburbs? I'd be bored out of my mind. Plus I'd be driving to the city every time I wanted to do something fun which is hardly efficient either. My current situation (in the city 10 miles from my job.) fits me perfectly.

And maybe some people just like going to the city on the weekend and staying close to their workplace in the suburb the rest of the time. What the f*** is the problem with suburbs other than that they are family oriented? Why is that bad for you? Oh right the strip clubs......

My job is in an inner-ring suburb but the vast majority of the people who work there live in Minneapolis or St. Paul (which is hardly a surprise considering no one who works there could ever afford to live in the suburb the job is in.) As for suburbs being family-oriented, that's the problem. Where's the fun for a single guy like me? That's why I see absolutely no reason to live in one and do not live in one.

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If you are buying property you better f***ing care.

Not happening. For a very long time. As I said above, if I ever buy anything it'll be a loft. Homeownership isn't a big priority for your average 24 year old.

If you are renting it doesn't really make any sense and yeah perhaps you should live in the hood if you do not mind getting a stray bullet all up in yo face.

Where are the stray bullets? I've never encountered one in the city. Though I don't really live in the hood. I live in a white enclave surrounded by slums.

Well you are right that it would not matter where you live when you are renting but it is always better to buy. If one day I have an opportunity to buy I will probably buy a condo even if I do not have a family. But yeah for now it would be interesting to live in the city but that is not always where the jobs are. For me the priority will be to stay close to my job as gas prices will continue to go through the roof. The city is a good place to visit and spend time in but not necessarily the best place to live.

No it necessarily is the best place to live. What would I do if I lived in the suburbs? I'd be bored out of my mind. Plus I'd be driving to the city every time I wanted to do something fun which is hardly efficient either. My current situation (in the city 10 miles from my job.) fits me perfectly.

And maybe some people just like going to the city on the weekend and staying close to their workplace in the suburb the rest of the time. What the f*** is the problem with suburbs other than that they are family oriented? Why is that bad for you? Oh right the strip clubs......

My job is in an inner-ring suburb but the vast majority of the people who work there live in Minneapolis or St. Paul (which is hardly a surprise considering no one who works there could ever afford to live in the suburb the job is in.) As for suburbs being family-oriented, that's the problem. Where's the fun for a single guy like me? That's why I see absolutely no reason to live in one and do not live in one.

Well if you had to work in an outer ring suburb would you live in an apartment in that suburb?

That's why when I was looking for a job I didn't look for any in outer-ring suburbs. It's not like there's any good jobs outside the I-494 loop in the Twin Cities area anyway.

Also why do you have to hate the suburbs? I understand it is not compatible with you but why the hate?

Because I've gotten sick about being harassed for a time period from roughly around when I graduated high school to when I moved to Minneapolis about I should live in one instead of Minneapolis and the whole city is a dangerous ghetto no sane person would live in, blah blah blah. And my disgust at the ignorance of suburbanites who actually BELIEVE that.

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If you are buying property you better f***ing care.

Not happening. For a very long time. As I said above, if I ever buy anything it'll be a loft. Homeownership isn't a big priority for your average 24 year old.

If you are renting it doesn't really make any sense and yeah perhaps you should live in the hood if you do not mind getting a stray bullet all up in yo face.

Where are the stray bullets? I've never encountered one in the city. Though I don't really live in the hood. I live in a white enclave surrounded by slums.

Well you are right that it would not matter where you live when you are renting but it is always better to buy. If one day I have an opportunity to buy I will probably buy a condo even if I do not have a family. But yeah for now it would be interesting to live in the city but that is not always where the jobs are. For me the priority will be to stay close to my job as gas prices will continue to go through the roof. The city is a good place to visit and spend time in but not necessarily the best place to live.

No it necessarily is the best place to live. What would I do if I lived in the suburbs? I'd be bored out of my mind. Plus I'd be driving to the city every time I wanted to do something fun which is hardly efficient either. My current situation (in the city 10 miles from my job.) fits me perfectly.

And maybe some people just like going to the city on the weekend and staying close to their workplace in the suburb the rest of the time. What the f*** is the problem with suburbs other than that they are family oriented? Why is that bad for you? Oh right the strip clubs......

My job is in an inner-ring suburb but the vast majority of the people who work there live in Minneapolis or St. Paul (which is hardly a surprise considering no one who works there could ever afford to live in the suburb the job is in.) As for suburbs being family-oriented, that's the problem. Where's the fun for a single guy like me? That's why I see absolutely no reason to live in one and do not live in one.

Well if you had to work in an outer ring suburb would you live in an apartment in that suburb?

That's why when I was looking for a job I didn't look for any in outer-ring suburbs. It's not like there's any good jobs outside the I-494 loop in the Twin Cities area anyway.

Also why do you have to hate the suburbs? I understand it is not compatible with you but why the hate?

Because I've gotten sick about being harassed for a time period from roughly around when I graduated high school to when I moved to Minneapolis about I should live in one instead of Minneapolis and the whole city is a dangerous ghetto no sane person would live in, blah blah blah. And my disgust at the ignorance of suburbanites who actually BELIEVE that.

Yeah just like you safety is not too much of a concern for me but I still would not like to live in Oakland for example. I would love to live in SF but again paying that much just does not make sense. The south bay is mostly suburbs but they have good food. Berkeley and Santa cruz are the two "cities" I would consider living in. In southern california everything is a suburb so  Irvine is good enough for me.

In the Twin Cities you have two ghetto areas in Minneapolis, a bunch of interesting parts and not all that expensive parts of Minneapolis and St. Paul, and a bunch of bland, cookie-cutter, boring as hell suburbs. The cities are the obvious best place.

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Does anyone still take BRTD seriously?

I have a tough time believing you would enjoy the Twin Cities suburbs.

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No. A lot of the Democrats are so poor that they have to live in the ghetto and can't afford to live in safe, clean suburb.

haha I love how you try to pretty much try to attack Democrats for being poor when in BRTD's post he talks about how the more Democratic region of the city is wealthier than the suburb.

Yes, the Twin Cities metropolitan area certainly has just one suburb.  Uh huh.  The suburbs are just as monolithic as the cities themselves.

Median income in the Kenwood neighborhood >>> median income in Sherburne county.

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I looked it up but forgot it now, could look it up again later. But it was something around 75% for Kerry, obviously even higher for Obama.

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I suppose now is a good time to point out that precincts in the Baltimore area become immediately more Republican as soon as you cross the city limits. You have >80% Obama precincts sitting next to McCain precincts with similar racial demographics. Check it out. There is clearly something going on here.

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i live in Dallas and even here we have democratic suburbs. Lancaster, Duncanville, DeSoto, Cedar Hill are all heavily democratic. Grand Prairie, Irving, Mesquite are swing. Carrollton, Richardson, Garland, Coppell are all lean to solid republican.

Lancaster = 37% white, majority black
Duncanville = 64% white, almost 25% black
DeSoto = 49% white, 46% black
Cedar Hill = 57% white, 34% black

So all that means really is you have some minority population spillover.