To me it seems pretty silly that Obama thinks he can ACTUALLY get North Carolina

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

It really worries me that Obama's advisors actually think that he can win North Carolina...

That is scary. Who are these incompetent people?

Better than Hillary's advisors, that's for sure.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I guess I don't think like that. I think they were perfectly reasonable predictions for May of this past year. Remember, this election was a referendum on what happened September 15th. Before then this race was lean McCain.

No it was not, nor was it ever lean McCain, other than maybe very very slightly lean McCain in late August. It was at best for him a tossup.

And >60% in WV for McCain was never reasonable, nor was it ever backed up by polling.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=54

Please point out the poll where McCain has over 60%. Something must be wrong with my eyesight because I can't see it anywhere.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2008/pollsa.php?fips=54

Please point out the poll where McCain has over 60%. Something must be wrong with my eyesight because I can't see it anywhere.

How is that the least bit relevant? All of those polls clearly under-estimated McCain since they showed a smaller margin than the actual one on election day. With 56% of the vote while losing by 7% (it isn't 8% now, is it?) it is at least very likely that he could have broken 60% in a close race. Certainly not ridiculous.

I'm showing how ridiculous it is to say that McCain winning with 60% is the most likely scenario before the financial crisis. Also the second part of the post, along with the rest of Duke's post is based on the idea that any swings happen uniformly, which is even more ridiculous.

I bet Duke was one of the 16 morons who voted here

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I see that the myth that McCain would've won if not for the financial crisis is starting to take hold[snip a bunch of other drivel]

Myth? LoL. I think not.

Look at the polling data over time, the race was never any better than 50/50 for McCain.