This isn't about seating Michigan and Florida...

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The GOP did the exact same thing, only their penalty wasn't as strict.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Phil, do you hold the same opinion toward the joke contests that the GOP has in states like West Virginia, Montana and Wyoming? (Not to mention your own isn't exactly held in a very democratic manner.)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Phil, do you hold the same opinion toward the joke contests that the GOP has in states like West Virginia, Montana and Wyoming? (Not to mention your own isn't exactly held in a very democratic manner.)

I'm not familiar with the specifics of every contest but if they denied voters and delegates then I'd have a problem with it.

In Wyoming and Montana only a selected group of GOP officials were allowed in vote, in Wyoming too the delegates were allocated by a ridiculous manner of 1 per county, with many counties not counting including the second largest (they were designated "Alternate" status.) West Virginia used a ridiculous convulted convention system.

As for PA, I have no idea how our contest wasn't democratic. How is actually picking the delegates un-democratic?

Because who the delegates support isn't labeled on the ballot, the actual vote is meaningless, and all the statewide delegates are not elected at all, just appointed by the state committee.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Of course, what's the point of campaigning in a state with no delegates anyway?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I wonder how it would be if you were a Florida/Michigan Dem - in a close race to be told by another Democrat who did vote... "tough, the party officials knew what they were doing. You knew your vote didnt count"

I'm not saying they shouldn't be upset, but you also have all the people who didn't vote because well they were told it wouldn't count.  The anger in this case should be directed at the people who caused this, the party leaders in FLA & MI, not the DNC for enforcing the rules.

How many people who would've normally voted didn't just because they thought it "wouldn't count"?  I think most everyone thought that the votes would eventually count once the nominee was settled.
I hope this fiasco doesn't cost us Michigan in the general election.

Democrat in Michigan: Let's see, I hate John McCain and disagree with him on every political issue, but I'm really pissed about how the DNC treated my state back in January over 10 months ago! I'm voting McCain!

Yeah, I see that as really likely.