Biden condemns ICC for requesting an arrest warrant for Netanyahu

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Biden is wrong here but honestly he's not really in an easy position because supporting it would destroy any negotiating power he has with Netanyahu.

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This really pisses me off.

why?

Because Netenyahu should be arrested by the ICC.

No , the ICC is a useless organization that would greatly undermine our foreign policy as a whole . Literally every president since WW2 would be charged by the ICC if we recognized their authority so no doing so would be disastrous for our own interests.

Yeah, if this ends up destroying the ICC then so much the better.  I’ve never liked it, even before this.  It’s a joke of an organization that shouldn’t have any authority imo.

How would you propose handling and trying the likes of people like Ratko Mladić, Ante Gotovina, and Elizaphan Ntakirutimana?

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I don’t think the ICC is anti semitic , just anti American . It’s yet another international organization set up by Europeans who want to pretend they have more influence then they do and get buthurt when other nations refuse to abide by them

“They’re anti-American” because they issued an arrest warrant against the leader of a country that isn’t America. 10/10 logic no notes

They have tried to investigate American figures before but we just responded with reminding them of The Hague invasion act .

Oh my mistake then because clearly it’s not possible those figures did something wrong and the ICC is just out to get us

International law as a concept is lol worthy and completely misunderstands what laws are about to begin with . Like no our definition of acceptable foreign policy actions is not the same as Western Europe and we should not be bound by it .

It’s not useful against Putin either because if he ever fell , he’d be tried by whoever replaced him to begin with or extradited to ukraine so it’s not like you need these courts to begin with .

Didn’t realize the Nuremberg Trials were a joke

The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

You do realize this was the Nazi argument right? That they were only being tried because they lost? Literally the whole point about the trial was about the fact it wasn’t the victor’s punishing the defeated but that the Nazis objectively committed crimes they needed to held accountable for

If we used the standard the ICC uses then we’d have had to try ourselves too for Dresden and Tokyo which would be absurd .

Anyway a trial by victors doesn’t make a trial unjust at all . For example if Putin completely lost , it would not make it any less unjust for Putin to be tried by a Ukrainian court then it would be for him to be given to the ICC .

Uh the analogy would be more Russia trying Zelensky and other Ukrainian leaders if they successfully did seize Kyiv and intended to do with the claim of "denazifying" Ukraine.

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The World Wars are precisely why we have international institutions, including legal ones. The fact that international law is more honored in the breach isn’t an argument against its necessity.

For better or worse, the ICC is a joke and at best a decidedly mediocre institution that no one took seriously until it engaged in anti-Israel virtue signaling.  Whatever one thinks of the merits of the idea behind the organization, this much is true.

I'm sure the Congolese, Ugandan, Sudanese, Malian, and Central African military and political figures who are or very recently were in custody due to the ICC would disagree. Dislike it all you want, but the ICC is one of the few organizations that has ever actually done something about enforcing justice for perpetrators crimes against humanity. I'd think its the only one that has done so across multiple conflicts. Its statements on this (and other conflicts, like its warrant against Putin) are newsworthy and widely reported because its record gives it a moral authority regarding war crimes that both Israel and Hamas lack. If it really was a "decidedly mediocre institution that no one took seriously" its statements would have been ignored like the vast majority of the statements made about this conflicts by no-name organizations have been.

I mean, they will be ignored in every truly meaningful sense as far as the conflict goes and rightly so.  It has no jurisdiction and is simply embarrassing itself.  And that’s assuming the warrants are even issued.

I mean you still didn't provide an answer of how to handle such war criminals. The ones I provided examples of were technically not handled by the ICC but specific tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda, but the ICC was created to avoid having to convene such tribunals for every conflict. It definitely wouldn't be done now and indicting Russians over Ukraine, or the Hamas leaders.