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« on: December 05, 2023, 07:10:12 PM »

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I will never attend a church that does not do it.
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2023, 10:34:17 PM »

No. 

1. Female deacons are explicitly mentioned in the Bible, and deacons are generally considered to be ordained.

2. Ordination of women as lead ministers of a congregation does rely on a non-literal/culturally specific interpretation of St. Paul, but as a generally theologically conservative Wesleyan*, I still believe that interpretation is reasonable.  The alternative, literal interpretation is also defensible, though.  However, congregations that are super literal about St. Paul's words on this subject, but don't allow #1 (and don't have head coverings for women today, or allowed men to worship in wigs in Colonial times because that was the fashion of the day, etc.) strike me as contradictory and to some degree hypocritical. 

*Endorsing ordination of women as ministers has unfortunately become associated with also endorsing extremely theologically liberal stuff like the "sparkle creed."  This doesn't have to be the case.  The conservative and moderate Methodists need to get better organized.
I'd never heard of this "sparkle creed" so I looked it up.

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“I believe in the non-binary God whose pronouns are plural.

“I believe in Jesus Christ, their child, who wore a fabulous tunic and had two dads and saw everyone as a sibling-child of God.

“I believe in the rainbow Spirit, who shatters our image of one white light and refracts it into a rainbow of gorgeous diversity.

“I believe in the church of everyday saints as numerous, creative, and resilient as patches on the AIDS quilt, whose feet are grounded in mud and whose eyes gaze at the stars in wonder.

“I believe in the calling to each of us that love is love is love, so beloved, let us love.

“I believe, glorious God. Help my unbelief.

“Amen.”

Even as a non-Christian, and one who is gay on top of that, this is one of the most revolting pieces of blasphemy I've seen in a long time. Lord help these people.

I'm currently synagogue hunting and I've had to keep my eyes peeled for nonsense like this, because it really has conquered a frightening number of Jewish congregations too.
So this is the first time that I, Mr. Hipster Christian has ever heard of this "creed".

I've noticed there's a bit of a strawman that conservative Christians have constructed on progressive Christianity, like that all progressive churches are places full of rainbows everywhere and drag shows and that promote quasi-Unitarian or Spong-like theology. While there actually are a few churches like that, they're not particularly common or representative of progressive churches at all. The sort of message you'll hear in a progressive church is recognizable as not like a conservative one due to being less rigid (and obviously different from a fundamentalist one due to lack of fire and brimstone), but it's rarely ever about "support this liberal cause" at least with that as the core message, I'd say at least 90% of the sermons and messages delivered at what I've attended were hardly political at all.
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