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« on: August 03, 2023, 10:40:07 AM »

2) speaking of Christian, in the second poll many of the countries listed are majority or plurality Christian.
The poll is only of Muslims in those countries.
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BRTD
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2023, 10:49:58 AM »

The problem with using whataboutery about Christians is there really isn't that much Christian-based anti-LGBT violence, at least in the United States. Even when anti-LGBT hate crimes do happen they're usually based more on other forms of homophobia like "gay panic", it's not like the murderers of Matthew Shepard were devout Christians who thought they were arbitrators of God's will or whatever. You can probably dig up a handful of examples like Eric Rudolph who bombed some gay nightclubs, but they're few and far between. Hence when people try to push that they either make some huge stretches akin to trying to argue that Timothy McVeigh was a Christian terrorist when he openly called himself an agnostic, or as I've seen on Twitter and DU before actually try to argue that refusing to bake cakes for a same-sex wedding is equivalent to murdering an LGBT person. And really the fact that one has to make such immense stretches is proof their argument is so poor to begin with.

...but there isn't really a whole lot of specifically religiously motivated anti-LGBT violence from Muslims in the US either. That is true. Of course per capita considering how much Christians outnumber Muslims it's no doubt significantly way higher amongst Muslims, but the vast majority of Muslims in the US do not engage in such things, that should be obvious. But just resorting to "BuT wHaT aBoUt ChRiStIaNs?" is a really bad faith argument and involves a host of logical fallacies.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2023, 12:36:39 PM »

This is a horrible tragedy, and I hope the perpetrator is brought to justice. We should never tolerate violence in the name of any religion.

Now, since some here think it’s okay to label Islam in a certain way, I presume they would have no issue with me referring to gun ownership as a death cult. Yes, “Not All Gun Owners” are like that, and most wouldn’t literally become school shooters, but the majority are A-okay with school children and teachers being brutally murdered as long as they get to keep their gun, therefore gun ownership is violent and dangerous.
Actually if you wanted to bring up an example of someone who committed violent acts in the name of gun rights (which is different than simply using a gun in a violent action), Timothy McVeigh isn't a terrible example, it's a slight stretch, but only a slight one (as opposed to the insane levels to argue that he counts as a Christian terrorist.)
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