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« on: August 08, 2022, 08:03:13 PM »

OH YEAH!

LOCK.

HIM.

UP!!!
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2022, 08:06:49 PM »

I don’t know why but I feel this will hurt Biden and the democrats in the midterm. People will blame them as a “political witch hunt” and use it to further the nonsense bothsidisms.

Or maybe I’ve just been around my dad for too long
More than half of voters think Trump should face indictment over Jan. 6: poll
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2022, 10:22:58 PM »

LOL


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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2022, 07:50:46 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2022, 12:47:17 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2022, 12:32:07 PM »

If Trump was mishandling classified information, then yes, the FBI should go retrieve that information.

If Trump was in possession of classified information, there's no reason that couldn't have been resolved cooperatively (or at most with a subpoena.)  Trump voluntarily surrended 15 boxes of documents to the National Archives back in January. 

Sure. No one knows yet what the warrant was for, but I highly doubt the FBI raids a former president's house if there was not something serious to it. I do not believe the conspiracies that somehow Biden is pushing the FBI to take out Trump before the next election. Biden probably wants to run against Trump again.

This is why we need immediate oversight and answers from the Justice Department on why the raid was conducted.  The DOJ seems to be downplaying the raid, which is not a very smart political calculation.   
Why can't Trump just tell us?
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2022, 12:48:06 PM »

If Trump was mishandling classified information, then yes, the FBI should go retrieve that information.

If Trump was in possession of classified information, there's no reason that couldn't have been resolved cooperatively (or at most with a subpoena.)  Trump voluntarily surrended 15 boxes of documents to the National Archives back in January. 

Sure. No one knows yet what the warrant was for, but I highly doubt the FBI raids a former president's house if there was not something serious to it. I do not believe the conspiracies that somehow Biden is pushing the FBI to take out Trump before the next election. Biden probably wants to run against Trump again.

This is why we need immediate oversight and answers from the Justice Department on why the raid was conducted.  The DOJ seems to be downplaying the raid, which is not a very smart political calculation.   
Why can't Trump just tell us?

Tell us what?  That the FBI is on a fishing expedition and showed up to Mar-a-Lago to collect every piece of paper they could get their hands on?  He's already said that
He has a copy of the warrant and can release it.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2022, 02:51:04 PM »
« Edited: August 11, 2022, 02:55:38 PM by The sun fell down again last night on my anger »

What do you think is in it that would be damning enough for people to bail on him? The 74 million voters he got in 2020 when he lost?
There are at least 74 million terrible adult citizens in the US, yes.

#ARAB #AllRepublicansAreBad #All74Million #SorryNotSorry

Gee I wonder why you guys are unable to appeal to people who don’t vote for you guys .
In response to a Santander post, LMAO.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2022, 02:58:26 PM »

What do you think is in it that would be damning enough for people to bail on him? The 74 million voters he got in 2020 when he lost?
There are at least 74 million terrible adult citizens in the US, yes.

#ARAB #AllRepublicansAreBad #All74Million #SorryNotSorry

Gee I wonder why you guys are unable to appeal to people who don’t vote for you guys .
In response that a Santander post, LMAO.

Santander is a lib hack , he has just pulled the mask off now
He just said this yesterday in response to Tulsi Gabbard filling in for Tucker Carlson:

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2022, 06:55:04 PM »

This is definitely a brilliant move from Garland. People we're asking why Trump doesn't just release the warrant. Now Trump is the only one who can prevent the warrant from being released.
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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2022, 07:29:36 PM »

What I don't understand is what exactly did Trump expect to do with these documents.
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2022, 10:49:50 PM »

Reminder that per the Atomic Energy Act the President does NOT have unilateral authority to declassify documents on nuclear weapons or material. That can only be done with an act of Congress. So whether Trump took them during his Presidency is irrelevant.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2022, 05:10:11 PM »

It's not possible to "impeach" a House member, although another one could introduce a resolution to expel them which would require a 2/3 majority to pass.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2022, 11:52:53 PM »

Attacking a poster not here is infra dig. I dissent. I would far prefer that I were attacked in his stead, as one who is here. I mean that.

It's not like he's been banned, or is otherwise incapable of contributing his thoughts like he usually doesn't hesitate to do.  The bodies of the Uvalde children were still warm when he injected his "mah gunnns!!" opinions into that thread, for example.

However, and I say this charitably and earnestly, hopefully he's taking some time away from the internet this week for the sake of his own mental health.  It hasn't been a good week to be a loyal Trump supporter.
On a side note I notice that Politician also completely disappeared.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2022, 12:23:05 PM »



But why? (Hard-hitting and insightful political analysis, I know)

Why have those documents in the first place?

My guess is that his cronies were packing up all their other incriminating documents regarding their many acts of malfeasance, and this just happened to get swept into the mix. He probably didn’t even know he had it.
Why keep them instead of destroying them though?
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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2022, 06:13:37 PM »

We already have two high profile cases of people who actually died for Trump, Ashli Babbitt and that guy who shot at the Cincinnati FBI headquarters and probably some other indirect examples too, like an January 6 defendant who committed suicide. And yeah...kind of unfathomable.
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2022, 07:30:19 PM »


This kind of goes without saying but literally anything Trump says should not be taken at face value without independent corrobation.
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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2022, 01:18:37 AM »

I struggle to see what's a workable defense to convince a jury that reasonable doubt exists here. I mean, they were all marked & some were still in his own desk…
The only real argument that exists is "When the President does it that means it's not illegal"....well no except even that doesn't work because he wasn't President. Thus leaving that bizarre claim that he somehow mentally declassified the documents before leaving office but didn't tell anyone or take any formal action but that still meant they were declassified...but even by that logic Biden effectively mentally reclassified them. And that's not even getting into the Atomic Energy Act's standards for declassification. I'm struggling to come with a coherent legal argument.

Also I'm hearing that Fox News' "argument" is basically "Oh, but what about Hillary's emails?"
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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2022, 01:52:01 AM »

On a lighthearted note



That carpet should be a misdemeanor charge on top of everything else.
I actually kind of like Selena Gomez on a personal level despite obviously not being a fan of her music and not too impressed with her acting in anything I've seen her in because: 1-she's attractive, 2-sje actually does seem like a good person and 3-she's actually kind of a hipster Christian.

But that dress...yikes.
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2022, 02:39:34 PM »

Not sure how this helps Trump that much? It's not like the special master will be some hack of his.
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2022, 04:13:31 PM »

Not sure how this helps Trump that much? It's not like the special master will be some hack of his.

I suspect it doesn't help in terms of his legal situation, but really that doesn't even seem like his goal. From what I can tell, the primary point of the special master request is to make a political argument to delegitimize the investigation in the eyes of the public. Even most people who are reasonably politically aware don't know much about what a "special master" actually is, so Trump will now try to fill their knowledge vacuum with whatever bulls*** he can make up that makes it sound like this proves his conspiracy theories about the FBI persecuting him for political gain should be taken seriously.
I guess that makes sense but I can't see anyone who isn't already done cultist of his buying that. Frankly Trump is so distrusted by a majority of the population that I bet most wouldn't believe him claiming any investigation against him was a politically motivated hack job even he was basically correct in that claim.
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2022, 12:19:56 PM »

Can someone please explain in dumb people terms what exactly a special master does?
This guy did just in time!


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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2022, 03:13:23 PM »

What's the ideological breakdown of the judges on the 11th Circuit panel?
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2022, 03:16:44 PM »

I think he can also ask the full 11th to look at it but doubtful they'll go for it either.

11th Circ. rules actually preclude reconsideration of an emergency stay, & so there was talk earlier this week of DoJ, if still skittish post-Cannon, filing this initial appeal en-banc instead of in front of this random panel, but thankfully the panel came through, so SCOTUS is indeed Trump's only route for an appeal now.

I'd be surprised if SCOTUS even wants to hear it. They've got their jobs for life, and they're where they are so that they can issue edicts like Dobbs, not blow their credibility on personal favors to Trump.
Ironically the only two justices on it who seem to give a sh!t about Trump personally are two he didn't appoint (Thomas and Alito.)
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2022, 11:20:57 AM »


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