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« on: August 01, 2022, 05:47:19 PM »

Hi I’m a dumb Gen Z’er who was born after 9/11 and saw Osama get killed before I was in middle school. I don’t mean to sound insensitive but like why is this a huge deal?
He's arguably indirectly responsible for 9/11 as bin Laden's former mentor.
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2022, 06:16:25 PM »

Hi I’m a dumb Gen Z’er who was born after 9/11 and saw Osama get killed before I was in middle school. I don’t mean to sound insensitive but like why is this a huge deal?
He's arguably indirectly responsible for 9/11 as bin Laden's former mentor.

Is that it? He was Osama’s teacher more or less? That’s all I can find about him.
Well also his successor and thus led al-Qaeda for the last 11 years.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2022, 10:08:38 PM »

Just remembered that old “joke” prior to bin Laden’s death about how the most dangerous job in the world was to be the number 3 guy in Al-Qaeda.
al-Qaeda's #3 at the time of 9/11 was actually Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was captured not too long afterwards and has been held since. Although I'm sure he was replaced by multiple people including some who were later killed.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2022, 11:16:49 PM »

Also, Daesh is arguably in worse shape than AQ in terms of losing senior leaders. Guess all that sectarian mayhem in Iraq and Syria, unilaterally declaring a "caliphate" over a massive region of said countries, disobeying bin Laden's and later Zawahiri's orders, and painting a global target on their backs to an unprecedented degree via the taped beheadings of Western hostages, horrific mass attacks in European cities, and generally "not playing nice" with anyone, including fellow jihadists, is poor strategy long-term!

There's an amusing class division at play here too. Consider bin Laden's and Zawahiri's backgrounds vs. that of the godfather of ISIS, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi: two scions of incredibly wealthy and educated families vs. a literal street thug who found religion in Jordanian prison.
That's not a surprise, considering that ISIS tried to wage a conventional war it had zero chance of winning, while al-Qaeda did not. That made ISIS leaders not only sitting ducks but a high priority.
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