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« on: December 12, 2006, 09:45:55 PM »

Just wondering. Since I've seen coments like Obama just got lucky having to face Alan Keyes.

Not only was the entire media in love with him and the state still is (look at his approval ratings. They're actually higher than the vote he got), but the Illinois GOP is a joke. Who would've beaten him?
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BRTD
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2006, 02:05:08 PM »

Just wondering. Since I've seen coments like Obama just got lucky having to face Alan Keyes.

I don't know if "lucky" had anything to do with that.  Many voters don't like carpetbagger politicians, so Keyes already had a tough task ahead of him (let alone his late entry into the race). 

That wasn't the reason. Keyes lost because he was a complete nut in a heavily Democratic state. But why couldn't the GOP get anyone better?

Could Obama have lost in 2004?  Of course.  Anyone can lose a race given the right competition and campaign.

Give me a scenario in which Ted Kennedy loses. Or a Republican carries MN-5.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 09:18:12 PM »

Ditka was a self described "ultra-ultra-ultra-conservative" blowhard who trailed Obama by 8 points in the only poll taken of that matchup (that was also prior to Obama's convention speech.) He wouldn't have done it.

The point is, Obama didn't get lucky having to face Keyes, there was no Republican in the state capable of beating him.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2006, 09:48:29 PM »

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Give me a scenario in which Ted Kennedy loses. Or a Republican carries MN-5.

Why?  If you think that someone is incapable of losing an election, then I've got some ocean-front property in Kansas to sell you.
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Back in 2004 I would've bet everything I owned that Ted Kennedy would've had no problems winning reelection last November. Was I right?

In MN-5 an ex-Nation of Islam member who's been accused of being supported by a group accused of having ties to terrorism who also had his driver's license suspended for refusing to pay parking tickets and fines (which he had over 40 of), and when asked if how many times his license had been suspended he said it was so many he couldn't remember. He has also been fined numerous times by the state election board for campaign finance law violations. And his opponent was a liberal RINO, AND an ex-Democrat was running on a third party ticket that took over 20%. And he still won with 55%.

I think it's safe to say MN-5 isn't going to elect a Republican.
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