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« on: September 09, 2021, 05:43:05 PM »

Something I was thinking about recently...we're all very familiar with atheist edgelords and what they are like, and of course conservative Christian edgelords are also very common (jmfcst is actually a pretty textbook example of one come to think of it)...so what would a progressive Christian edgelord be like? Because it seems most edgelord behavior from progressives or conservative Christians would contradict progressive Christianity in some way.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2021, 09:25:35 AM »

I'd argue that there's an at least mildly edgelordly cast to some of the more crypto-Marcionite kinds of progressive Christian rhetoric about the Old Testament, although that sort of thing was fortunately more common ten or fifteen years ago than it is now.
That reminds me that Spong might qualify but I kind of refuse to include him as "Christian", it's really a stretch to say that he even believes in God.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2021, 01:39:23 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2021, 01:55:43 PM by we're busy touching till we're dizzy stupid »

The symbology of most Democratic-aligned protest movements, even when they are secular or explicitly non-Christian, tends to have this quality.

The images of the BLM foot-washing ritual from last summer are the first to come to mind, although, to be clear, I'm not sure that this particular excess took place on more than one occasion. The prayer candles dedicated to everyone from RBG to Stacey Abrams are another example.

Come to think of it, religious "edgelordery" always borders on idolatry, whether we are talking about the types that Nathan recently described as "Crusader-LARPer lunatics" or Nancy Pelosi thanking George Floyd for "sacrificing his life" as if he had literally died to save American from its sins.

To pick another of my least favorite examples, the use of Original Sin as a metaphor has this idolatrous quality of treating non-religious political or aesthetic sensibilities as if they were equally significant. Part of the problem is that it's not clear to me that people understand it as a metaphor. Much as with the much-abused war metaphor - as in the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, the War on Coronavirus, etc. - there is a tendency for the general understanding to drift toward something more literal.

Actually you reminded me of this that would totally qualify and sent conservatives online in a tizzy for a couple days. From a devotional book compiled by Rachel Held Evans friend Sarah Bessey and written by theology professor Chanequa Walker-Barnes:



Now as is usually the case with this sort of thing after reading the full prayer with the full context this isn't as bad as it initially sounds with these little snippets but isn't exactly entirely clean either...and I think most Christians of all ideologies would agree that prayer is not the place for this sort of performative shocking language, even if publicly published in a book.

(I'd post the full thing for context but despite being widely available on Twitter and other places it would definitely be a copyright violation. The summary is that she eventually pares down "white people" to just mean white people who engage in the sort of casual but open racism that Trump brought plenty of into the spotlight, and is using "hate" with a sort of different meaning to actually mean more like being apathetic towards and unaffected by their words and actions.)
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2021, 10:18:15 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2021, 10:41:24 PM by we're busy touching till we're dizzy stupid »

The symbology of most Democratic-aligned protest movements, even when they are secular or explicitly non-Christian, tends to have this quality.

The images of the BLM foot-washing ritual from last summer are the first to come to mind, although, to be clear, I'm not sure that this particular excess took place on more than one occasion. The prayer candles dedicated to everyone from RBG to Stacey Abrams are another example.

Come to think of it, religious "edgelordery" always borders on idolatry, whether we are talking about the types that Nathan recently described as "Crusader-LARPer lunatics" or Nancy Pelosi thanking George Floyd for "sacrificing his life" as if he had literally died to save American from its sins.

To pick another of my least favorite examples, the use of Original Sin as a metaphor has this idolatrous quality of treating non-religious political or aesthetic sensibilities as if they were equally significant. Part of the problem is that it's not clear to me that people understand it as a metaphor. Much as with the much-abused war metaphor - as in the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, the War on Coronavirus, etc. - there is a tendency for the general understanding to drift toward something more literal.

Actually you reminded me of this that would totally qualify and sent conservatives online in a tizzy for a couple days. From a devotional book compiled by Rachel Held Evans friend Sarah Bessey and written by theology professor Chanequa Walker-Barnes:



Now as is usually the case with this sort of thing after reading the full prayer with the full context this isn't as bad as it initially sounds with these little snippets but isn't exactly entirely clean either...and I think most Christians of all ideologies would agree that prayer is not the place for this sort of performative shocking language, even if publicly published in a book.

(I'd post the full thing for context but despite being widely available on Twitter and other places it would definitely be a copyright violation. The summary is that she eventually pares down "white people" to just mean white people who engage in the sort of casual but open racism that Trump brought plenty of into the spotlight, and is using "hate" with a sort of different meaning to actually mean more like being apathetic towards and unaffected by their words and actions.)

This is just straight hate speech. I would read any additional context provided to me, but I can't understand how something as stark as this can be characterized as anything else.

To start with the first sentence would probably read more accurately if there was a "some" between "hate" and "white."

Like I said I won't post the whole thing directly because of copyright but I guess I can post this:



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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2021, 02:42:57 PM »

Well now I feel a bit guilty bashing Spong just a few days before his death.
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