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BRTD
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« on: June 18, 2016, 03:48:38 PM »

Any rifle that fires more than one bullet each time the trigger is pulled is illegal.

I don't think that applies to submachine guns like Uzis though which is kind of perplexing as they have zero legit use. You can't use them to hunt and for self defense they're likely to hit bystanders and are unwieldy. Their main purpose is for drive bys. Why would any non gang member have any use for one? "Defend muh FREEDOMS against government TYRANNY" should not be a valid answer to anyone who lives in the real world.
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2016, 09:13:10 PM »

Any rifle that fires more than one bullet each time the trigger is pulled is illegal.

I don't think that applies to submachine guns like Uzis though which is kind of perplexing as they have zero legit use. You can't use them to hunt and for self defense they're likely to hit bystanders and are unwieldy. Their main purpose is for drive bys. Why would any non gang member have any use for one? "Defend muh FREEDOMS against government TYRANNY" should not be a valid answer to anyone who lives in the real world.

That IS a valid reason. Indeed one look at the founding will find it to be one of the two main purposes of the Second Amendment.
Then how do all the democratic and free countries in the world without Second Amendment equivalents exist?

Also what do you think would happen to someone who killed a federal agent DEFENDING THEIR FREEDOMS? Hell those idiots in Oregon didn't kill anyone and they'll be locked up without freedom for quite awhile.

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2016, 06:20:30 AM »

But why can't we own missiles to DEFEND OUR FREEDOMS since they'd clearly be needed battling some tyrannical government in the modern era?
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2016, 06:25:11 AM »

something smells like straw in your post Frenchy BRTD...

No seeing as how someone in this very thread stated that the purpose of owning assault rifles is to defend from government tyranny.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 12:17:17 PM »

something smells like straw in your post Frenchy BRTD...

No seeing as how someone in this very thread stated that the purpose of owning assault rifles is to defend from government tyranny.
A.they didn't say assault rifles
2.missiles ain't small arms
III.there are always three things

The post is in reference to me saying that there's no point in owning submachine guns except for that and he says that's a valid reason. So at the very least the argument is people need submachine guns to DEFEND AGAINST TYRANNY!

As for missiles not being small arms, that's the point. How on Earth do you defeat a tyrannical government with only small arms? Even third world rebel forces rely on arsenals of missiles and mortars.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2016, 08:10:37 AM »

Best defense of the AR-15 I've read: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/20/11975850/ar-15-owner-orlando

The author doesn't seem to oppose all gun control though.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2016, 08:14:46 AM »

Summary of article's points:

-Military firearms like the AR-15 are popular for use amongst civilians even for hunting because they tend to be more high quality and are less prone to jam and things like that.
-The AR-15 is very popular because it's extremely customizable.
-Mass shooters tend to use it not because it's necessarily better for shootings  than any ordinary rifle but because its popularity for the above two reasons makes it more common and a gun people are more familiar with.

Why actual gun nuts can't simply explain those things and instead going on their deranged rants is curious though.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2016, 12:02:08 AM »

Sure, those work too.  But so do:
we don't need a reason
it's the same as other rifles gun control nuts don't want to ban
not that many people are murdered by rifles
even fewer are murdered by "assault weapons"
even fewer are murdered with an AR15
even fewer are murdered with a legal AR15
the last AWB was stupid and pointless (other than hurting the gun control nut side in the long run) why bring it back?
etc, etc


There are a LOT of good reasons to "defend" the AR15.

and yet all we're hearing is "DEFEND MUH FREEDOMS AGAINST GUBMINT TYRANNY!"  Because honestly that argument is so inane and stupid and basically only believed by Alex Jones-type loonies it makes me want to dismiss the entire side on those grounds alone (and come on dude, you work for the federal government, I'd figure YOU of all people would also find it absurd and insane.)

And the article (printed in an obviously not pro-gun website of course) doesn't entirely exonerate everything about an AR-15, for example the author notes that it's popular for being very customizable. But hunting is typically done in a manner similar to sniping and at a distance, and hunting rifles don't have a fast fire or reload rate. Now with such a gun you could do some damage in a crowded area yes, but not as much as one specifically designed for close quarters shooting. So at the very least if the AR-15 can be easily customized to be used in close quarters and for ease of reloading, then there are some accessories for it that serve no valid purpose and should not be sold.
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