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I think that's the first post ever double posted here and the Good Post Gallery.

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Single women want Barry Obama as their boyfriend, get it?

They want to have the sex with the Barry because he is younger than Mitt, and is hot with his shirt off, and has a nice big smile. 

Impressive cognitive dissonance there. I seem to recall you saying the same thing (but in a decidedly more positive tone) about Paul Ryan.

Single women only vote for the candidate they are most attracted too.  Paul Ryan's abs will attract a lot of female voters and it seems to be working so far.  Many catholic women find Paul Ryan attractive.  Even male Democrats vote for Obama because they find him attractive, like Chris Matthews and the thrill up his leg. 

But this ad is clearly implying that Young Women should want to sleep with Obama as their first time; and it will be just as good as if it were voting for him.  Obama is not a politician, he's a male sex symbol. 

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My parents are pretty good about smelling a rat.

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I wonder if this will have any effect on Latino voters defecting to Republicans like Romney.  Latino voters and Latin women are devout Catholics, and a cheating Latin man will turn off a lot of Latin women. 

This pretty much ruins any chances Menendez had at getting the VP nod in 2016.

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Can you list specifics of these policies that constituted a 'war on whites', and elaborate on how they constituted one?

I suspect that some of those policies included free cash for the teachers unions, free cash for the autoworkers unions, an attempt at free cash for the environmentalists, free cash for these green energy lobbying companies, and free cash for the recipients of the explosion in welfare spending.

Meanwhile, married Joes and Janes in the 53% felt that such was not consistent with their ideals of government and they would have to pay for all that stuff. And, the San Francisco social agenda was not consistent with their faith. Thus, whites had to flee to the Republican party to get the draconian spending cuts.

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And who is going to pay for it? The money simply isn't there. What happens when Social security and medicare go bankrupt?

Ben, you cannot reason with today's liberals. They have been brainwashed into believing the world only consists of benefits, not costs and benefits. They believe they can have perpetual excess consumption without matching production. They believe the world owes them a living. The list goes on and on. Hell, most of the people who voted for Obama would fail a financial literacy test. Many of them can barely read "Obama," let alone comprehend the concept of cost-benefit analysis.

It is not the fault of young people, though. They were brainwashed in the cradle and classroom, and most of them will remain brainwashed until they hit the grave. If you want to blame somebody, blame the National Education Association, communists in academia, Ted Kennedy for the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, and woeful parents.

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Freedom area despite its uber-liberalism.

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My official prediction of the 2012 Presidential Election was a close race with President Obama coming out as the victor. My official prediction was 74.1% accurate, not as accurate as my 83.0% accuracy during the 2004 Presidential race. That year, I only failed to predict John Kerry's winning Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes, which I thought would slip to President Bush when in actuality George Bush came up 11,384 votes short.

So, were the results of Obama vs. Romney a shock to me? Not at all. As a matter of fact, I foresaw Romney's pending defeat, and even sent a solemn text message to our very own Keystone Phil around 11:30pm that night saying, "Romney needs to concede, Now." to which Phil seemed surprised. I don't know why. I am NOT a hack. I am a straight shooter. I tell it the way it is. If you can understand that about me, then you can begin to respect my predictions and analysis of elections and current event topics.

Since the election, Democrats have been gloating about their new lock on the electoral college, and how Republicans are a hopeless party doomed to repeat failure over the coming election cycles. In some respects, they are correct. Republicans, whether it be the anti-Obama voters, the Tea Party, the establishment, the evangelicals or even the "Chick-fil-A" crowd, purely and simply did not turn out in the numbers many, even myself, had anticipated. The fact that John McCain's disastrous campaign which culminated with a terrible economic collapse with the incumbent party in the White House with a 30% or lower approval rating received a greater share of popular votes than Governor Mitt Romney shows how many people purely and simply stayed home.

Now, before we begin the recrimination, let me make clear that Governor Romney, who I enthusiastically supported and persuaded several Obama 2008 voters and/or first time voters to cast their ballots for, was not at all my first choice for the nomination. As a matter of fact, I voted for Senator Rick Santorum in the Ohio primary. As did my father. I also would tend to suspect our very own Keystone Phil cast his Pennsylvania primary ballot for Senator Santorum. My choices became narrower and narrower as the primary race went on. The CEO of Godfather's Pizza with infidelity problems? NO. A congresswoman from Minnesota who had solid conservative credentials but came across too extreme for the mainstream and sort-of Palin-esque? NO. The Governor of Texas with a solid conservative record? YES...until you find out that he's more Bruce Dern than John Wayne. The former Speaker of the House of Representatives with a tarnished past who has an ego big enough for several planets to orbit? NO. The former Governor of Massachusetts who can be painted as out of touch and has changed positions multiple times? NO.

With Senator Santorum, I found that his one major flaw was that he was soundly defeated for re-election during the Democratic tidal wave of 2006 in the Democrat-leaning state of Pennsylvania. Losing an election is hardly as terrible as flip-flopping or a tarnished personal problem. Indeed, I came to the same conclusion that my father did. As we both walked out of the voting booth on the afternoon of the Ohio Primary, we confided in each other that we had voted for Santorum to "contrast better" with Barack Obama. That lack of contrast between Obama and Romney, severely evident in the third and final Presidential debate, was critical to have in a society which may be more open to a semi-socialistic viewpoint that the Obama/Biden 2012 campaign pushed forward during this election.

Aaron Goldstein, the Canadian-born Socialist-turned Conservative writer for the American Spectator wrote an outstanding article in the aftermath of the Obama/Romney election in which he basically says that 2012 was the 1980 election all over again...except America has drastically changed in the 32 years since the start of the big-hair punk rock decade.



In the 1980s, American homes were filled week after week with television shows glorifying conservatism. You had "Family Ties", which aired on NBC from 1982 to 1989. The backdrop of the hit sitcom was that Michael J. Fox's idealistic young character Alex P. Keaton, was a Nixon and Reagan-loving conservative having to deal with his 1960s style hippie parents in their home in the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio. One episode in particular was fitting for the times when Mallory Keaton introduced her male friend, "Dad...Alex...this is Jamie Carter" to which Alex leapt into his fathers arms. "Don't worry Alex, she said Jamie Carter...not Jimmy", replied the father, to the audience's delight. Another memorable quote that comes to mind was Alex talking about finding a girl to date and telling his mother that he was going to have to "pick a date off the girl tree." Despondent, she said, "ALEX! The girl tree?" to which he sarcastically replied, "Oh...sorry mom. The woman tree." Again, there was no claim of a fictional "War on Women" or any outcry. In fact, one could claim that the audience, which by the way included the President of the United States, would applaud Alex P. Keaton's sarcastic tone against his liberal mother.

Another popular show, "The A-Team" basically made the protagonists of the show people who could do jobs that the Government was incapable of doing, and the Government was always trying to stop them. This also fit the bill for the Reagan Era's anti-government conservatism.

But the conservatism wasn't always at liberal expense. You would have sitcoms that would air "Very Special Episodes" about the dangers of drugs, drinking and other pressing social issues without resorting to liberalism. Hell, even I myself, born in 1988, remember watching "Just Say No" VHS tapes in grade school a decade after they were made, with Ronald and Nancy Reagan telling kids to say no to drugs and terrifying PSA commercials aired during my Saturday Morning cartoons featuring the dangers of drug use. You remember the PSAs. "Hey Tommy, look what I've got..." as a child held a handful of small white rolled joints with sinister music in the background. Talk about ruining your Saturday bowl of Fruit Loops.

Skip forward nearly 20 years and you now have children watching prime time television shows that glorify drug use. You even have some Americans voting to legalize it. In many ways, it is a victory of liberalism and a nightmare for traditional Americans.

You also, as Aaron Goldstein noted, had many middle aged Americans who grew up under the post-World War II cloud of communism. Japan, Korea, Vietnam, the good old days of the 1950s replaced by the disillusionment of the radical 1960s and 1970s...all the while the Soviet Union was showing off it's military strength. As this was happening, the 20 year old guy firing at German soldiers on French beaches was suddenly a 56 year old American who saw a likable but incompetent President fumbling the ball with the Soviets, having American hostages in Iran, and watching the country they had fought for radically change before their eyes. They were fed up. It didn't matter how likable President Carter was. It didn't matter how good of a speech he might give. The foreign policy failures and the economic recession were simply unacceptable. Nowadays, people were willing to shrug, nod their heads and say, "Oh well, let's keep Barack". It is still difficult to comprehend the change in attitude. It may be a simple case of the 1980 America having more pride than the 2012 America.

As stated earlier, this was the 1980 election. The problem was, it isn't 1980. If it was 1980, and Barack Obama was President and Mitt Romney were the Republican nominee, Romney would have won in a Reagan-style landslide. One important factor often overlooked is that while many people claim conservatism had a firm hold on the American electorate in the eighties, one thing is often forgotten...California. The Republican Party is all but dissolved in the state of California now, but remember, this was a state that Richard Nixon hailed from, and a state from which Ronald Reagan governed. This state held 45 electoral votes in 1972, 1976 and 1980 which were firmly in the Republican column. Had Mitt Romney won California, he would have been just nine votes shy of the White House. But he likely would have won anyways due to the 1980-GOP strongholds of New Jersey, Vermont and Connecticut...states that were Obama Country this year. Also, in 1980, virtually the entire country was contested. You had Reagan campaigning from Michigan to Washington to New York to Florida. In 2012, it basically came down to a handful of states. Most importantly in 2012, there were many less people voting than who voted in elections thirty years ago.

Between Obama and Romney in the state of Ohio, 5,274,423 people cast ballots for either of the two men. Between Carter and Reagan in 1980, 3,958,959 Ohioans cast their ballots for the two men. That's a difference of 1,315,464 people voting in Ohio in 1980 versus 2012. Of course, in 32 years, many things change but one of them is higher turnout for obvious reasons. In 1980, you might see a TV ad for Reagan or hear a radio ad for Carter, perhaps read a newspaper endorsement and hear about the campaign every night on local and national news. But this year, you can't even click on YouTube to listen to a song or watch a video without an ad for the candidates popping up. You can't go onto a website to find school supplies for your children without having an Obama-Biden ad pop up, or do to a fishing website and have an automatic talking Romney on your screen. It's everywhere. For those who have followed politics most of our lives as if it were in the bloodstream, we would vote no matter what. However, in the 1980 electorate...or even as recently as the 2000 electorate...many average American citizens simply didn't care. Nowadays, they want to be involved. Even if they have no idea the difference between being a Governor in your state capitol or being a Senator in Washington, D.C. representing your state, they still want their voices to be heard. That's America. That's the American way.

Nevertheless, conservatism lives on. We will be back. I'm glad because in my heart, I know it's right. I know traditional America lives on. I may not fit in with many my age, but I know what I believe. Why that is, I'll never know. Perhaps...just perhaps... I was raised too similar to the children of half a century ago.



God Bless America
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The Southern strategy had nothing to do with pandering to racists.

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It's funny how Stark managed to return and stay under the radar.

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Both the defense of McCarthy and citing that as the "main reason" to never vote for the Democrats are mind-boggingly stupid.

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My incredible wit and snappy comebacks have absolutely owned everyone here.

No wonder you regret opening this stupid thread.

I would too if I were you, having to match wits with me.

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Yes, but because she was more centrist than Obama.  Obama far and away is just not a good fit for the region politically--he's WAY too liberal.  Not that Hillary Clinton's not pretty far-left herself, but just not as much as Obama.  So, although she probably wouldn't have done a whole lot better, she would have performed better than he did.

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Guys don't bother.  Give Oldiesfreak a few years to mature and he'll come to realize that his current way of viewing politics is flawed.

What I mean is that eventually he'll come to realize is that he can defend his reason for being a Republican without heavily relying on what happened 150 years ago.

Right now, it's pretty much a useless struggle.  The young are stiffnecked and set in their ways.

-Mecha

Good point, but how many times do I have to say that that is NOT the only reason that I'm a Republican?  It is one reason, granted, but it's not the only one.

Note, I said "Heavily relying" on, not "only relying on".
Yes, you have mentioned being prolife and something about civil unions, but mostly as an afterthought.  Most of the time, what I've heard from you is "CIVILRIGHTSSEGREGATIONISTSSLAVERYABOLITIONEMANCIPATIONPROCLAMATIONLOLNOGEORGEWALLACE."
Which, really, is only used occasionally by Republican posters on here when in a pissing contest with Democrats over race politics, if you'll pardon the pun.  Though really, you don't need to go back that far to prove that Democrats are racists.  I mean hell, you're talking about a party that has the "soccer mom" demographic in it. . . . . . .

How are soccer moms racist?  Last time I checked, they were pretty liberal on social issues.

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I don't think so (although I'm not sure, so don't hold me to it), but one house passed a non-partisan commission law, even with a republican majority, so... maybe?

Otherwise, we're headed in the direction of Florida -A swing state that is completely controlled by Republicans on the State level.

Yes, the Republicans can seek vengeance for a century of gerrymandering. Vengeance is not acquired in 10 years.

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I wonder what laPierre and krazy's base would think about the tax increases nescessary to put armed guards in every elementary school.

Hmm? There wouldn't have to be any tax increases. Just fire some teachers.

Was just going to post this.

Krazen's entire posting history in that thread would fit here (actually you could argue you don't even need to include "in that thread" in that statement...)

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Anyone in the Green Party is a massive HP.  It is, without a doubt, the most dangerous third party in America.

For the record I actually agree with this statement, though I know he certainly doesn't think that for the same reasons I do. I am interested in hearing how the Green Party is dangerous (to a conservative)

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For starters $95k/year is quite far from the average US household income.

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Because he goes to med school there.

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Seems like they used to deign to give these unfortunate people scraps from their most high and mighty farmhouse table, though.

It is mere chance that Roy Barnes had to deal with fewer of those types. One wonders why they have not self-deported to San Francisco over the last decade.

The working poor of Georgia should just relocate to San Francisco. Krazen might've finished the year with his most absurd statement of the year.

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Hey, I've got a routine and it works.  There is a saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!".  My routine isn't broken, so there's no need to fix it!

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Continually quoting his talk on this type of stuff here is kind of beating a dead horse but:

WND and National Review?  Nice unbiased, intellectually honest sources you got there.

1980 had Carter at the top of the ticket (as well as John Anderson to slow the flight of moderate northerners to the Democratic Party, in a counterpoint to Wallace), and as I already mentioned, he ran the most Southern and evangelical candidacy probably ever.  Any other Dem candidate, and the patterns would likely have emerged eight years sooner- and they already had started emerging in the Northeast, he mainly just held onto the South at the expense of not taking the West Coast.

And, of course, the Southern Strategy is undisputed fact.

No, it's not.  Nixon trying to pander to racists with Wallace in the race would be like a Republican presidential canidate campaigning in California or a Democrat in Texas today.  The Southern strategy was about winning the pro-civil rights moderates who had moved to the South after WWII as a protest against the segregationist Democrats.

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Continually quoting his talk on this type of stuff here is kind of beating a dead horse but:

WND and National Review?  Nice unbiased, intellectually honest sources you got there.

1980 had Carter at the top of the ticket (as well as John Anderson to slow the flight of moderate northerners to the Democratic Party, in a counterpoint to Wallace), and as I already mentioned, he ran the most Southern and evangelical candidacy probably ever.  Any other Dem candidate, and the patterns would likely have emerged eight years sooner- and they already had started emerging in the Northeast, he mainly just held onto the South at the expense of not taking the West Coast.

And, of course, the Southern Strategy is undisputed fact.

No, it's not.  Nixon trying to pander to racists with Wallace in the race would be like a Republican presidential canidate campaigning in California or a Democrat in Texas today.  The Southern strategy was about winning the pro-civil rights moderates who had moved to the South after WWII as a protest against the segregationist Democrats.

It's true, though.  THe white racists were already safely in Wallace's column.

Debunked in the original thread. And I was referring primarily to the last sentence, which only makes sense if you consider Strom Thurmond a pro-civil rights moderate. And completely ignore what Nixon's political strategist said.

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One think that confuses me is why hispanics voted for Obama overwhelmingly. First off, he is black, in LA I have heard of tensions between blacks and hispanics.


  What specifically gives him appeal to hispanics?

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I've stated many times I never have any problem with violating laws I think are stupid, if not I'd be a hypocrite since on New Year's Eve I was briefly involved in passing around a joint between sets. But it appears he was doing more than consuming alcohol, so I have to retract my statement.