Who's going to qualify for the Democratic debates?

[eric82oslo]

The DNC needs to reevaluate this criteria. Candidates like Yang (no matter now nice his platform is) and Williamson have no place on that debate stage. And Gabbard is barely better than them, but at least she’s held some office.

Don’t be such a snob.

Why should holding a previous office be any criteria ?

Anyone meeting the polling and fundraising criteria should be included, no problem.

It may be better to see weed out the best candidate from a crowded field. If they can survive something chaotic as dealing with a multitude of primary challengers, they have enough savvyness to beat their challenger in the Presidential election.

Or it'll just reward the loudest, most controversial candidates on-stage (probably Sanders, Gabbard, or Yang) at the expense of the more electable, milquetoast guys (Harris, Beto, Booker, etc.)

If there's one thing Yang is not, it's loud.

[eric82oslo]

I am just not looking forward to Yang and Williamson derailing topics and the overall debate so they can push their crackpot ideas.

Which exact idea of Yang do you consider crackpot? The UBI? The one championed by Martin Luther King Junior in 1967 and has been the law of the state of Alaska for 27 years running now, where it has more universal public approval in Alaska than even universal background checks on guns (meaning more than 90%)?


*I mean the Alaskan Oil Dividend, not the UBI or Freedom Dividend, but those two concepts are extremely closely aligned, cause they're basically the same. The only difference  is the amount. The Alaskan Oil Dividend is about 2000 USD per adult a year, while Yang's Freedom Dividend would be 12,000 USD per adult a year. So between 6 and 15 times the amount given annually in Alaska. In Alaska they regard it as an extra help in the run up to Christmas, cause I believe they only get the amount once a year. With Yang's plan, Christmas would basically happen for everyone, all adults, twelve times a year. This should be the greatest gift given to children ever, cause noone sees the effects of more money more clearly than the children.

[eric82oslo]

When I asked if Henster was on drugs, it was obviously because he stated that Yang's ideas were crackpots, yet noone seems to have a sense of humour around here.

[eric82oslo]

Yeah, this is becoming a mess. 65,000 was clearly too low.

Yang is like the only outsider candidate to have gotten in thanks to the fundraising requirement. And given the pace of his online campaign, he would probably clear double that by the time of the debates.

This is true. He's already at 91,000 individual contributions and he still have 2.5 months left to fundraise until the debates start. I could see him clearing 150,000 contributions once the debates come around, possibly more if he were to get a big boost from the CNN townhall, just like Buttigieg and Harris got an extra surfboard thanks to their townhall reactions.

[eric82oslo]

Tulsi Gabbard has also qualified through donations now.

[eric82oslo]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1116091105634914305?s=20

Seems like at least seven candidates have already qualified through grassroots fundraising, including Buttigieg, Harris and Warren.

[eric82oslo]

I'd appreciate if the thread I'm typing in would remain the same for more than a week.

Where did your post with the link to the google sheet go?

It's on page 4. Apparently his thread was merged with another thread.

[eric82oslo]

This has prompted me to send a small donation her way.  While she's not my preferred candidate, I like Gillibrand and I definitely think she deserves a broader platform than joke candidates like Gabbard and Yang.

In what way is Yang a joke candidate?

[eric82oslo]

I'm gonna say this- whoever is turned down by the Franken thing is a horrible person. If that's what sank her, seems like many Democrats are assholes. But I don't believe it was- her campaign just didn't find its niche and didn't rise up.

Gillibrand deserves to be, and will be, humiliated for what she did during that controversy.

The end result was that Democrats ended up getting a much better Senator, to every Republican's and Libertarian's worst fear. As a result McConnell is so angry that he's fuming.

[eric82oslo]

According to a new CNN article, Cory Booker has reached 63,408 donors, while Julián Castro is at almost 63,000. Both are likely to reach the threshold within the next week.

Both Jay Inslee and John Delaney are still quite far away it seems, at least their campaigns are not willing to disclose their donor numbers.

Also: "DNC officials plan to certify who has qualified for the debate 14 days before the first event, slated for June 26 and June 27 in Miami."

That should mean the cut off date will be June 12.

"The party plans to use higher fundraising and polling thresholds for candidates to qualify for debates later in the primary campaign. "I think it's important for candidates to show they've made progress," DNC chairman Tom Perez said in a recent C-SPAN interview, "We haven't made firm decisions on what those thresholds will be, but it's absolutely undeniable that as we move forward, we will adjust the thresholds to reflect the fact that we're closer to the caucus and voting.""

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donor-threshold-dnc-debates/

As a comparison, Andrew Yang currently stands at 106,141 individual donors.

[eric82oslo]

According to a new CNN article, Cory Booker has reached 63,408 donors, while Julián Castro is at almost 63,000. Both are likely to reach the threshold within the next week.

Both Jay Inslee and John Delaney are still quite far away it seems, at least their campaigns are not willing to disclose their donor numbers.

Also: "DNC officials plan to certify who has qualified for the debate 14 days before the first event, slated for June 26 and June 27 in Miami."

That should mean the cut off date will be June 12.

"The party plans to use higher fundraising and polling thresholds for candidates to qualify for debates later in the primary campaign. "I think it's important for candidates to show they've made progress," DNC chairman Tom Perez said in a recent C-SPAN interview, "We haven't made firm decisions on what those thresholds will be, but it's absolutely undeniable that as we move forward, we will adjust the thresholds to reflect the fact that we're closer to the caucus and voting.""

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/2020-democrats-donor-threshold-dnc-debates/

As a comparison, Andrew Yang currently stands at 106,141 individual donors.

Tulsi has more donors than Booker or Castro. Marianne Williamson has almost as many donors as Booker and Castro. Amazing.

In this fivethirtyeight chat, they also mention that Gabbard has been Googled more than Klobuchar, Gillibrand, and Castro in the last 30 days.

Over the past 30 days, Yang has seen more Google search than both Booker, Castro and Gabbard every day except two, when Booker surged past him.

In the same period, and out of those four, Yang has been the most Googled name in every state except for six; Castro topping in Wyoming, Gabbard topping in New Hampshire, while Booker has lead in New Jersey, South Carolina, Mississippi and New Jersey.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&geo=US&q=%2Fg%2F11c37jsw3y,%2Fm%2F06p430,%2Fm%2F09mhnm,%2Fm%2F0cnyrfq

[eric82oslo]

Bullock needs to be in the debate in my humble opinion.
Republicans will laugh all the way to the bank if he's excluded.

[eric82oslo]

Only Gabbard and Yang move up with the latest Selzer poll of Iowa, since everyone else who got 1% in it already got 1% in the previous poll:

Biden 9
Booker 9
Buttigieg 9
Harris 9
Klobuchar 9
O’Rourke 9
Sanders 9
Warren 9
Yang 9

Yangmentum is continuing.

[eric82oslo]

I wish Delaney would not qualify for the debates. Literally noone, except monied interests perhaps, want him there.

[eric82oslo]

I hope Messam qualifies for the second debate. It'd be nice to find out who he actually is.

Then Trump can throw insults at him since his parents are from the sh*thole country of Haiti lol.

[eric82oslo]

Plus Yang reached 130,000 today: https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1144790711264514048

[eric82oslo]

I got an ad on Facebook implying Gravel had reached 58,000 donors. 

58,853 according to this

http://www.graveldonorcount.com

He's had a great day. Almost 2k more now. Currently 60,670.

61,552 now.

[eric82oslo]

This is getting exciting.

[eric82oslo]

Today marks the first day of the campaign where Yang's RCP's polling average outpaces both Beto and Booker, charting him as the candidate with the 6th highest polling average.
Technically Yang and Beto are tied at 2.3% each, however, since Yang's 3% poll came more recently, I consider him ever so barely ahead of Beto at the RCP averages.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

[eric82oslo]

If they upped it to four polls at 3%+, that would probably limit it down to 6-8 candidates.

That would be too limiting at this point in my opinion. I think the they should have set it at 130,000 donors and not the polls by Aug 28th. That's fair.

Let’s be real. There are four, maybe five contenders. Debates with more than 6-8 are wasting everybody’s time.

It's a democracy, not an autocracy.

[eric82oslo]

If they upped it to four polls at 3%+, that would probably limit it down to 6-8 candidates.

That would be too limiting at this point in my opinion. I think the they should have set it at 130,000 donors and not the polls by Aug 28th. That's fair.

Let’s be real. There are four, maybe five contenders. Debates with more than 6-8 are wasting everybody’s time.

It's too early to say that. Biden and Bernie could both collapse.

Yeah. In the top 5, only Warren is completely immune against outside events I think. It hardened her that her true backlash came before and just when she was jumping into the race, not in the middle of it. Same can probably be said about Klobuchar, if she ever starts rising in the polls. (Same with Gillibrand to some extent.)

[eric82oslo]

Probably a big deal if the debates are two nights is one of those days would be Friday which is very likely to be low rated.

I hope there is no second night debate. I for one want to focus my attention on playing Borderlands 3. It gets released that day.

It is ultimately better for the primaries to have a wider voice of discussion.

I know. But just for my selfish interests, I don't want to watch the debate and play my most anticipated game of the year at the same time.

You're a gamer. Then you should vote for Andrew Yang.

There's a Gamers For Yang Twitter account as well: https://twitter.com/gamersforyang

[eric82oslo]

Where are the new polls? I need my fix!

There should be a minimum requirement of three new polls every day. Maybe DNC can set that standard for the 2024 primaries.

[eric82oslo]

Yang announced today on Twitter that he's reached 200,000 unique donors.

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1161954947954544640

He's also raised 3.1 million in the first half of the 3rd quarter, more than he raised in all of the 2nd quarter.

[eric82oslo]

Yang talks about whether the September debate will be televised over one or two nights, and what the criteria for the beyond October debate is gonna look like.

https://twitter.com/BjornErikOpheim/status/1162276815714439168