SENATE BILL: Troubled Teen Protection Act (Law'd)

[President Tyrion]

I introduced this on behalf of Devin, and I certainly think it's a worthwhile discussion. We may need to tighten up the wording in parts, but I do think we should pass something close to this. Devin can probably articulate better than I why this is a good idea, but I'll say that "troubled teen camps" which attempt to "reform" inherent traits are sheer lunacy and tantamount to child abuse.

[President Tyrion]

Friendly, but I echo Talleyrand's concern

[President Tyrion]

Friendly, but I echo Talleyrand's concern

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Your original bill included what could be interpreted as the law placing a limit on personal effects. My amendment of that clause was intended to clear up this ambiguity.

I literally introduced Devin's version. That's not necessarily reflective of my viewpoint.

[President Tyrion]

Friendly, but I echo Talleyrand's concern

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Your original bill included what could be interpreted as the law placing a limit on personal effects. My amendment of that clause was intended to clear up this ambiguity.

Sorry I am not the most articulate at typing. I put the limit in to keep it reasonable. How many personal items can you bring? Most of these camps are in rural Utah/Montana, so its not like you're going to be bringing an Xbox.

I think we can leave it up to the institution.

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Sorry, Talleyrand, saw your amendment as you were typing mine. Would you like to incorporate your amendment into mine?

[President Tyrion]

While it's fine to make sure campers are allowed to bring some personal effects, camps should be able to prohibit items that don't fit in with the camp environment.  Do we want the DoIA to be reviewing appeals from kids who are told they can't bring their iphones?

Camps still have that right. I don't know if there's a better way to deal with recourse for involuntary campgoers.

[President Tyrion]

I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

[President Tyrion]

I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

Hm, well involuntary campers are generally there for disciplinary reasons, so I can support cutting some of it.

I don't want to see "shall not be prohibited from bringing personal effects which are necessary for their well being" cut, though.

[President Tyrion]

I'm done, but if shua (or anyone else) wants to find a more efficient way to deal with the issue he brought up, I'd be game.

Unless there are specific personal effects that we mean to make sure campers are allowed to bring, I think it makes sense to strike clause 3.  Camps shouldn't have to wonder what items they are allowed to tell campers they can't bring.

Hm, well involuntary campers are generally there for disciplinary reasons, so I can support cutting some of it.

I don't want to see "shall not be prohibited from bringing personal effects which are necessary for their well being" cut, though.

That seems like it will be very subjective in interpretation.

The entire point of this bill is to decrease the dictatorial power of these camps. They should not be allowed to deprive a camper of necessary medication or whatnot.

[President Tyrion]

Friendly if he offers it

[President Tyrion]

Friendly if he offers it

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[President Tyrion]

We finished after this amendment?

I am, yeah

[President Tyrion]

Aye