Will the U.S. ever become a social-democratic country? (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 01, 2024, 07:35:09 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  U.S. General Discussion (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, Chancellor Tanterterg)
  Will the U.S. ever become a social-democratic country? (search mode)
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: Will the U.S. ever become a social-democratic country?  (Read 5324 times)
barfbag
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,611
United States


Political Matrix
E: 4.26, S: -0.87

« on: September 14, 2013, 08:37:13 PM »

Income inequality and poverty is on the rise in America with no signs of stopping. Do you think (with the rise in Millennial and minority votes) that the U.S. will ever become a socialist or social-democratic country similar to Germany, France, or even Canada?

This of course means universal healthcare, higher education, and more social spending by the government. Since we're still quite a young country, it seems likely that we could end up on that path in the next few decades.



If that happens, then I'll be moving to the former state of Texas.
Logged
barfbag
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,611
United States


Political Matrix
E: 4.26, S: -0.87

« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 11:26:20 PM »

Social Democracy isn't socialism. At least not of the type you're describing. Norway, Sweden and Denmark are social democratic countries, but you can't call them socialist in the manner you're describing. They're capitalist; in fact, I've read an article that state that Norway was better for start-up businesses than the US. And the way that the Scandinavian countries operate isn't incompatible with American life.

No its not, but its pretty darn close. The only reason I even mentioned socialism was because the author mentioned socialism as well as social democracies. I never intended to call them "socialistic". I kind of lumped the two together and that was unfair of me. And I said that socialism and social democracies go against founding principles, not our way of life.

Those countries you mentioned are livable, but they are, like all social democracies, high debt, many social programs (welfare state), high debt, and big government. Those are all things our founders tried to avoid happening, and it was certainly not what our country was based upon. Anyway, I obviously have a strong opinion against socialism/social democracies, but its because I think its one of the most dangerous things that could happen. In fact, we may be going down that road as we speak.

That is a flat out lie

It is one of the most dangerous things that could happen. It's killed more people throughout the history of our world than Nazism and terrorism. Also, our founding fathers did try to avoid debt.
Logged
barfbag
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,611
United States


Political Matrix
E: 4.26, S: -0.87

« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2013, 02:20:31 AM »

I don't see the United States becoming a full-on social democracy like Scandinavia but a transition to a social market economy with many social democratic elements like in Germany is quite possible as Millennials rise to political prominence.

I also see this possibly happening. The Millenial generation may be libertarian on social/civil rights issues (gay marriage, weed, wiretapping) but economically they are much more liberal. I could see our health care system becoming similar to Switzerland (basically a more liberal Obamacare), and higher education being paid for by the government in the the next 30 years.

Our second amendment prevents this from happening.
Logged
barfbag
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,611
United States


Political Matrix
E: 4.26, S: -0.87

« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 03:01:07 AM »

I don't see the United States becoming a full-on social democracy like Scandinavia but a transition to a social market economy with many social democratic elements like in Germany is quite possible as Millennials rise to political prominence.

I also see this possibly happening. The Millenial generation may be libertarian on social/civil rights issues (gay marriage, weed, wiretapping) but economically they are much more liberal. I could see our health care system becoming similar to Switzerland (basically a more liberal Obamacare), and higher education being paid for by the government in the the next 30 years.

Our second amendment prevents this from happening.

How?  Are you envisaging armed gangs of thugs preventing elected representatives from enacting those policies?

I hold the same views on the matter as the founding fathers would. Is revolution bad when there are free elections in place? That's the bigger question. My other thought is that when two people no longer get along, they shouldn't be forced to stay married. The same should go for the states who would never want to be part of such a thing such as Utah and Oklahoma. I'd be living in the former state of Texas anyways.
Logged
barfbag
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,611
United States


Political Matrix
E: 4.26, S: -0.87

« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2013, 08:47:00 PM »

I don't see the United States becoming a full-on social democracy like Scandinavia but a transition to a social market economy with many social democratic elements like in Germany is quite possible as Millennials rise to political prominence.

I also see this possibly happening. The Millenial generation may be libertarian on social/civil rights issues (gay marriage, weed, wiretapping) but economically they are much more liberal. I could see our health care system becoming similar to Switzerland (basically a more liberal Obamacare), and higher education being paid for by the government in the the next 30 years.

Our second amendment prevents this from happening.

How?  Are you envisaging armed gangs of thugs preventing elected representatives from enacting those policies?

I hold the same views on the matter as the founding fathers would. Is revolution bad when there are free elections in place? That's the bigger question. My other thought is that when two people no longer get along, they shouldn't be forced to stay married. The same should go for the states who would never want to be part of such a thing such as Utah and Oklahoma. I'd be living in the former state of Texas anyways.

A Swiss-style healthcare system and free higher education justify armed rebellion to you? You might not agree with those things, but to say that people would be rising up and willing to kill over them strikes me as an enormous overreaction.

No it's not at all what I said. However, they're great ways to start a slippery-slope into being socialists. Then the next step is us becoming communist Russia and we saw how that went.
Logged
barfbag
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,611
United States


Political Matrix
E: 4.26, S: -0.87

« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2013, 11:05:22 AM »

I don't see the United States becoming a full-on social democracy like Scandinavia but a transition to a social market economy with many social democratic elements like in Germany is quite possible as Millennials rise to political prominence.

I also see this possibly happening. The Millenial generation may be libertarian on social/civil rights issues (gay marriage, weed, wiretapping) but economically they are much more liberal. I could see our health care system becoming similar to Switzerland (basically a more liberal Obamacare), and higher education being paid for by the government in the the next 30 years.

Our second amendment prevents this from happening.

How?  Are you envisaging armed gangs of thugs preventing elected representatives from enacting those policies?

I hold the same views on the matter as the founding fathers would. Is revolution bad when there are free elections in place? That's the bigger question. My other thought is that when two people no longer get along, they shouldn't be forced to stay married. The same should go for the states who would never want to be part of such a thing such as Utah and Oklahoma. I'd be living in the former state of Texas anyways.

A Swiss-style healthcare system and free higher education justify armed rebellion to you? You might not agree with those things, but to say that people would be rising up and willing to kill over them strikes me as an enormous overreaction.

No it's not at all what I said. However, they're great ways to start a slippery-slope into being socialists. Then the next step is us becoming communist Russia and we saw how that went.

That's not how it works at all.

The more dependent people become on the government, the more government will redistribute the wealth in exchange for votes. It's happening more each generation.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.031 seconds with 10 queries.