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Clarko95 📚💰📈
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« on: March 03, 2015, 10:36:58 AM »
« edited: November 17, 2023, 06:53:32 PM by Clarko95 📚💰📈 »

No (I). I don't support needlessly antagonizing a country that has been mistreated to the point of war just because Israel demands their way or the highway.


Israel has been creating more problems for us than solving them for the past 40 years. I actually do hope Obama fulfills conservative's fears and puts them in their place. There is no solid evidence that Iran is actually trying to build a nuclear weapon, and Israel has been claiming that "Iran is only a few months/years away from having one" for the past 20 years.

Israel has the right to exist, but not to fearmonger and ask us to be their lapdog for every war they want. I'm sick of all the Israel apologism for their destructive behavior.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2015, 09:33:31 PM »
« Edited: March 03, 2015, 09:57:19 PM by Clarko95 »

No (I/R). I don't support needlessly antagonizing a country that has been mistreated to the point of war just because Israel has decided to become a little b*tch about everything and demands their way or the highway.


Israel has been creating more problems for us than solving them for the past 40 years. I actually do hope Obama fulfills conservative's fears and puts them in their place. There is no solid evidence that Iran is actually trying to build a nuclear weapon, and Israel has been claiming that "Iran is only a few months/years away from having one" for the past 20 years.

Israel has the right to exist, but not to fearmonger and ask us to be their lapdog for every war they want. I'm sick of all the Israel apologism for their destructive behavior.

"In their place"?  What place is that?  
Their place is not to tell us how to conduct our foreign policy, not to interfere in our elections, not to sabotage our deals, not to run roughshod over the Middle East and do nothing but create hatred for them that turns into terrorist attacks, and not to come here to the U.S. and think you can lecture us on all of the above
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Actually, I will tell you that. Because if that were the case, the global political landscape would be radically different to the point of unrecognizable. I cannot seem to recall a time when an American President went over to a country whose help we desperately needed and did nothing but insult and condescend them for electoral gain.

The last time Netanyahu advised us on foreign policy was in September of 2002 when he told us that invading Iraq would have nothing but good reverberations, and 4,500 Americans died, 100K+ Iraqi civilians, and the region was destabilized with Iran filling in the vacuum and the rise of ISIS.

So if Israel wants to antagonize Iran and go to war with them, then Israelis can die this time.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 12:20:06 AM »

If America were facing a hostile power possibly gaining nuclear weapons a stone's throw away from us, there is no way we would hesitate to exploit political divisions in another country if it would help our perceived interest. 
Except this possibility is very small, and arguing that they would obtain it requires you to delve into paranoia based on stretched evidence. There is still virtually no evidence Iran is trying to obtain a nuclear weapon outright, and even you admit Israel's tactics are counterproductive to the goal of preventing them from getting one in the first place.


On top of this, your argument of "well, if America was in this position, we'd do it too!" is stupid because 1.) we don't actually know that the US would recklessly torpedo a relationship with a crucial ally, 2.) the circumstances would be totally different, and most importantly 3.) it's not actually happening in reality, it's a theory created by your mind. What is happening is Israel's PM is lecturing us about how we should totally bend our foreign policy to their paranoid will so Netanyahu can win an election in two weeks.

Doesn't matter about what would happen in some alternate reality. Netanyahu is in the wrong here. End of story.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 09:39:10 AM »

If America were facing a hostile power possibly gaining nuclear weapons a stone's throw away from us, there is no way we would hesitate to exploit political divisions in another country if it would help our perceived interest. 
Iran isn't trying to exploit divisions in America Huh

How is Israel threatening Iran?  Let's be real here.  Israel has justifiable defense concerns about Iran, who already have a proxy army on Israel's border and supply Hamas with rockets.  Not to mention that fact that they have literally said they want to destroy Israel.  Israel, on the other hand, only wants peace and defends itself.  But, I guess facts don't matter to you anyway.
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