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Question: How important is gay marriage to your vote?
#1
Very Important (support gay marriage)
 
#2
Somewhat Important (support gay marriage)
 
#3
Not Important
 
#4
Somewhat Important (oppose gay marriage)
 
#5
Very Important (oppose gay marriage)
 
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Total Voters: 98

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Clarko95 📚💰📈
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« on: June 03, 2014, 09:24:11 PM »

I agree with everything you've said about race baiting but I strongly disagree with the notion that his statement on slapping white people is racist. It is certainly expressing antipathy towards white people but hatred towards white people in that context is understandable. The idea of reparations is ridiculous but the general sentiment that white people are ignorant about race relations is rational and disliking them as a group, especially if you have little contact with white people outside of interactions regarding race relations or politics, for this reason is warranted and isn't racist. It's actually absurd to think that it's racist because it isn't predicated on some kind of essentialized trait or generalized behavior but rather an empirical truth.


Disliking people b/c of their race = not racist, and yet I'm a racist for god knows what reason.

This is incoherent.

Yes, your standard of defining who or what is racist is incoherent if I qualify but actually hating an entire race of people doesn't.  I don't know how you can say that disliking an entire race of people is warranted and claim that it isn't based on "an essentialized trait or generalized behavior." 

A non-negligible number of Black Americans dislike white people because some of their family members have been killed at the hands of white supremacists, been barred from eating at restaurants, been called degrading names, been racially profiled and denied their civil rights. If that doesn't warrant some degree of resentment, I don't know what does.

I can certainly see how it is understandable, but that doesn't mean it is warranted, and it is still racism.  It is absolutely based on a generalization against a group of people, and a group of people that are defined as having their essence characterized by their race. 

White Americans are responsible for the existence of racism. This is a fact, not a generalization. White Americans have significant advantages due to their perceived race. This is not a character trait, this is a reality. If you're annoyed by this state of affairs and blame white America for continuing to support a system of racial caste that upholds racial inequity, you're not a racist. White Americans are responsible for racism and deserve the blame and aspersions of those that they've oppressed unless they make significant efforts to change the status quo. 

WTF?
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Clarko95 📚💰📈
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2014, 09:13:27 PM »


Why are you so aggressive and condescending when it comes to discussing race issues? What authority do you think you have to be the final say on race? Seriously, calm down.

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Slavery was not racially justified before colonialism in the modern sense, true, but that doesn't mean discrimination didn't exist based on what is basically the equivalent of racism.

The human brain differentiates what we see, and I find it implausible that in history (whether it be 3000 BC, 500 AD, or 1200 AD) humans have not discriminated against each other, based on what you consider "modern racism".

When Europeans first made contact with Native Americans, the Natives did freak out. It wasn't always a "racist" reaction, but that proves that people differentiate based on skin color, as Native recollections often mentioned pale skin and lighter features. So yes, it is certain that racism did exist in some form or another among people before modern racial science came about.

White people did not "invent" racism. I get you've jumped on the "check your white privilege" bandwagon from your post history, but arguing there was nothing remotely like racism before evil white people just invented it is ridiculous.

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Okay, cool. Then get off the topic if it bores you so much. Create your own thread about race, don't derail this one on gay marriage.
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