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[Nym90]

I can't think of any of that type offhand, but there are many times when a person registered with the AFDNC and then switched when another member told him about other parties (if you want to see specific examples, I'm sure I could dig some up).  It's not really fair to force the other parties to have to actively tell every new member about the other parties while the AFDNC just gets to sit back and watch members come in, occasionally getting diverted through finding out that other parties do, in fact, exist.

Well said.

Also, Akno knows fully well that it would take enormous time and effort to go through all those old registrations to find who are activeand who are not. It's an obvious fact. The Democrats have almost no candidates to run, since they rely so heavily as a party on inactive voters.

I agree with you in principle that that would be a bad thing, Gustaf, but as Akno is saying, some evidence would be nice. No one is asking anyone to go through every registration, but the current list of registered voters is easily available, and it would be nice for people to at least point out who on the list is inactive so that we can talk specifics, not generalities.

[Nym90]

Alcaeus (DE) - Last active Dec 7th; Last post on Nov 11th. Last 15 were non-fantasy and date back to 31st Oct. I personally don't remember him whatsoever.

Cashcow (DE) - He's active elsewhere, but I can't say I remember him doing anything in here.

Since I am here, is Danwxman (PA) really a Dem considering he has blue avatar? Sort of turns the whole avatar voting thing on its head. He's not particularly active here either.

Doug D Wise (MT) - Originally a Republican, then to Democrat, again, rather strange. Last active Dec 4th. Did do things when here.

EarlAW (NY) - Activish on the forum; His only contribution to fantasy politics was to register on Nov 28th.

English (MN) - Last post was Dec. 3rd. Again I think his sole contribution was to register. He was active on the rest of the forum it has to be said. Lacks an avatar declaration.

Ethelberth (ME) - Lacks an avatar declaration. His sole acts have to been to register and vote.

Julien (PA) - Has made 4 posts to the fantasy forum, the last of which was to vote.

Kevinstat (ME) - Last act was to vote in the October elections. Is sorta active.

nclib (NC) - I'm not willing to traul through 1622 posts to find when he was last active here, but I know from memory it wasn't recently.

phknrocket1k (CA) - he's a opeboesque troll anyway; Don't remember when he last did anything in here; Too many posts to bother to check.

which brings me to Opebo (MO) - is a troll and underwent some strange conversion in Thailand from all accounts. Why has he re-registered anyway? Its not like he's active here.

Red Button (NY) - his lack of posts has so amused me, I'm linking them. Last active Nov 27th, which was in itself the act of registration. A grand total of 22 posts accumulated in the astounding time frame of 52 minutes.

Reignman (WA) - Last active Dec 24th. Dating back to mid-October he never did anything here.

Romeomustdie (NY) - Last active Dec 21st. Not horribly active before that here, though he did vote in both October and December elections.

Smash255 (NY) - Active elsewhere. I have no memory of this guy being in fantasy politics.

tkwrinklefiber (CA) - Last active Nov 12th. Sole contribution was registration.

Thats about 15 inactive voters out of 35 Democratic members. Obviously there are a few more since that was last updated; I'll randomly guess you have about 45 members now. A third of your voters are inactive in fantasy politics, if not complete deadwood altogether.

It's worth noting that a lot of these people didn't vote last December, so a lot less than 1/3 of the total Democratic votes were coming from people on this list.

I also see no problem at all with people voting if they are active in other parts of the Forum.

Regardless, we do have a law in place that says that someone is purged from the registered voter list if they don't vote in 2 consecutive elections. I think that is a good rule, and should remain in place.

I would hardly say that this "proves the AFDNC wrong", as it was being asserted that the AFDNC relied on inactive voters in order to win, and that this was our only advantage. As if the party would be just totally dead and would win nothing at all if it wasn't for these folks. I never said that we had no inactive voters at all, just that it's a lot less than what has apparently become an article of faith for some.

[Nym90]

If there is any suspicion about Red Button, I would assume that his IP address can be checked by Dave Leip.

[Nym90]

I oppose that, anyone might miss an election for some reason or another.

Gabu, you have a point, but the AFDNC hasn't really admitted to having any problems - that's why people keep attacking them.

We have problems--no one has ever said that we don't, as far as I'm aware. No party is perfect.

But I think that the entire invactive voter thing is quite overblown. We have a few, but the vast majority are active on the Forum itself, and represent a good cross section of the Forum.

The whole GirlGoneWild thing is also overblown, and used to taint people who had no assosciation with it, as Gabu has said.

[Nym90]

I oppose that, anyone might miss an election for some reason or another.

Gabu, you have a point, but the AFDNC hasn't really admitted to having any problems - that's why people keep attacking them.

The whole GirlGoneWild thing is also overblown, and used to taint people who had no assosciation with it, as Gabu has said.

But people knew and didn't say anything. If we were to listen to people like yourself and Fritz and not point out the fact that GirlGoneWild had suspicious activities on the forum, an illegal ballot would have been counted.

Off topic - Will you debate Mike Naso? If so, when?

Yes, I will debate Naso. Whenever he wants to.

Who knew and didn't say anything? As far as I know, no one.

[Nym90]

Alcon and Harry were both informed of it by IrishDem, and immediately told him that they would reveal it if he didn't. He did then reveal it publically. So I don't see how you can hold that against them.

So again, I just don't see what they did wrong.