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« on: November 17, 2007, 10:23:40 AM »

Agree with the guy on being allowed to vote once out of prison. Don't agree on allowing serving prisoners to vote.

Name a victimless crime, by the way.
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2007, 12:42:23 PM »

Drug use: Damages you, costs the state a lot of money, distresses your relatives.

Promiscuity: That's not a crime. STDs by the way.

Underage drinking: A whole bunch of problems.

Broadcasting porn on the media: Not a crime if it's done at the right time.

Public nudity: Rather disturbing to some people.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2007, 12:53:58 PM »

1a. Given to you by God, actually. It's still going to ruin your life if you're ravaged by cocaine.
1b. I'm talking about medical treatment, rehab, paying for your funeral...
1c. They're still going to suffer if you end up ODing in a crack house. If they end up with depression, that's more money lost.

2. Intern everyone with AIDS. Why?

3. Some problems: Vandalism, drink-fuelled violence.

4. I never argued for censorship, I argued for regulation.

5. That's not the same thing and you know it.
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2007, 01:17:24 PM »

1a. Yes, there is a God. Who created the universe otherwise?

1b. A mother should not have to pay for her own son's funeral. A mother should not have to bury her own son, full stop.

1c. They're also addictive, make you do dangerous things, lead to crime.

2. Not everybody gets HIV/AIDS via sex. Needle sharing, dodgy blood transfusions, for example, being the child of a woman with said condition.

I oppose that idea because its just plain wrong. It violates peoples' rights and makes being ill a crime. Would you say that the internship of Japanese-Americans was right? There are other ways.

3. Drugs fuel violent crimes.

4. Would you want your 6-year-old child watching a full sex scene in Spongebob Squarepants?

5. Suppose a man is driving along the road and sees a naked woman. He crashes his car and kills four other people. Not harmful?

Wow, my first argument with a libertarian.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2007, 07:38:08 AM »

How many people have been mugged for drug money?
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2007, 10:41:50 AM »

How many people have been mugged for drug money?

Wouldn't this decline if drugs were no longer associated with criminal activity? A drug addict may feel less inclined to obey the law on other issues now because they already break the law buying and selling drugs.

If they need money to buy the drugs (they're hardly going to get them in Medicaid, are they?), they've got two ways to go. Get a job or commit crime. Since no employer would hire a drug addict, they end up committing crime.
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