UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

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The unemployment figures do not include those doing part time work but wanting full time or those engaged in single hours contracts.

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They're voting against immigrants who don't live in Redcar.

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It's more a case of the highest Leave votes had the lowest immigrant numbers. I live in Havering, the whitest borough in London. It's had BNP councillors in the past.

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It isn't a hugely paying job, though. If you want to get wealthy, you don't become an MP.

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I agree on the need for fewer MPs. My comment was that you can earn far more in the private sector with a good deal less aggro and a lot better job security.

You think MPs today are 'corrupt', it used to be a lot worse.

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Congratulations!

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Audrey, EU migrants don't come here to scrounge benefits. They come here to work and they usually are, so they can't be legally ejected in that regard.

Also, I seriously doubt the EU would allow an "emergency brake" on EU immigration as the movement of young people from the poorer countries of the 2004 and later entrants eases pressure on their societies.

Anyway, it's not the migrants fault that they want better opportunities.

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British people on the whole don't want to work on farms and in the hospitality industry, which is why we've had to hire people from overseas.

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Theresa May government resignations:

❌Damian Green
❌Michael Fallon
❌Priti Patel
❌Justine Greening
❌Amber Rudd
❌Boris Johnson
❌David Davis
❌Tracey Crouch
❌Guto Bebb
❌Steve Baker

🏆This has to be some sort of record?

No. Harold Macmillan once sacked eight cabinet ministers in one go.

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Much of London's transport infrastructure is used by people from the East of England and the South East i.e. commuters.

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That's pure politics. The areas that got more money vote Conservative. Not anything new; the Heart of Wales line survived the Beeching Axe because it ran through six marginal seats.

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If any backstop is "unless and until", what's stopping the EU from not agreeing a new FTA and waiting for a new UK government more inclined for EEA?

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Now that's going to be taken as a Brexit metaphor.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again... I just want to stay in the shorter queue at passport control!

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I think Labour needs to swallow its pride and work with May to get a workable deal created. And apply for an A50 extension as well.

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Why did you vote Leave in 2016? Genuinely curious.

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Yep, the whole Windrush thing is a scandal. These people should have been given permanent paperwork back in the 1970s.

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The future of Northern ireland is as six countries of a United Ireland. It is just a matter of when.

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Looks like we'll be getting a vote on May's future, then. If she wins it, no challenge for a further 12 months.

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I want to say "she's finished at last", but May has made such a habit of barely surviving that I keep expecting her not to fall somehow.

Corbyn faced a no confidence vote from his MPs. He's still there.

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I don't think so; there is no majority for that either. I think we're either looking at a 2nd referendum or a new General Election. At any rate, the confidence and supply arrangement from the DUP is looking very much like a Norwegian Blue.

New GE needs a 2/3 majority or a successful specific no-confidence vote in government with no new government commanding a majority formed within 14 days.

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No guarantee that an election would not produce the same result in some form.

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Anyone who is going to answer a YouGov poll on the political issues that concern them is not your average voter; they're someone a good deal more engaged in political matters for one thing.

There was a political party committed to leaving the EU without a referendum - it's called UKIP and it won the 2014 EU elections in this country.

The EU we signed up to is vastly different from the EEC when we joined in 1973. A referendum would have had to happen sooner or later.

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There's what people talk about on the doorsteps to someone wearing a rosette and what they talk about in private to each other. I've done canvassing as well. In most cases, people didn't talk to me at all except to confirm voter intention.

UKIP got nearly 4.4 million votes in 2014, so someone must have been concerned about it.

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The EU does have a major impact on our immigration policy, mind.