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emailking
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« on: March 20, 2019, 11:24:14 AM »

What is to stop the Republicans from packing the courts after the Democrats lose an election, if the Democrats do it? Why even have a supreme court at that point?

The Supreme Court should have the authority to decide particular cases, but not to settle larger political disputes over the meaning of the Constitution.  The roots of "judicial review,” as it's called, are not legal or constitutional but themselves political.  If we believe in democracy, the Court should be empowered to make decisions, but not make the law.

The way it was explained to me, is that Judicial Review is more of a result than a prescription.

So for example, if SCOTUS deicdes a specific gay couple can get married because of the equal protection clause, then all lower court justices will feel compelled to follow that precedent or they know their cases will get reversed under the same justification. Rather than have a zillion cases following this path and clogging the courts, most jurisdictions will realize any laws they have against gay marriage have effectively been overturned and stop enforcing them.
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emailking
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2019, 02:33:15 PM »

Yeah, that's a nice story, but it's not what we have in practice.  In the real world, the Court arbitrarily decided that the incentives the ACA created to expand Medicaid were excessively powerful and states should be allowed to opt out of expansion without losing access to existing federal funding streams. There is absolutely no basis for this idea anywhere in the text of the Constitution — and millions of Americans have been deprived of their health insurance as a result.   In the real world, we have the case of Bush v. Gore, a refusal to look at the problem of partisan gerrymandering,  a series of judicial decisions striking down efforts to regulate the campaign finance system, the Shelby County v. Holder decision in which five conservative justices arbitrarily decided that racially motivated voter suppression was no longer a problem, etc. etc.  In what world are rulings like these not prescriptive?

I don't see how any of that contradicts what I said. I'm not saying any of those rulings were arrived at correctly. Rather they were cases between parties in which the Supreme Court gave opinions, and the "striking down" aspect is yours, and the political world's, interpretation of the practical effect of those rulings.

Like how would things be different if there was no judicial review. Take the medicaid expansion. Lower courts should not follow the precedent? Each state that doesn't want the medicaid expansion has to get their exemption individually from the SCOTUS? What's the point? It's going to be the same result each time, only with a lot of time and money wasted getting there.
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