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J. J.
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« on: July 23, 2013, 09:07:32 AM »

It's mainly a class thing, middle and upper-class blacks will usually speak in "normal" accents, poorer or less-educated blacks speak a somewhat dialectical form of English ("Ebonics") with slightly different grammar and vocabulary and spoken with a somewhat singsongy accent.

First, I think it is a bit unfair to say all blacks, or all whites.

Some if it has to do migration patterns.  Most black people or their families moved from the South between 1920 and 1965.  When they did, they brought a  southern dialect with them and tended to concentrate in specific geographic areas (not necessarily by choice).  It got reenforced, but slightly changed by contact with people living here, and by black people with slightly different Southern accents.

Three examples:

1.  One of the people that I know with either the thickest or second thickest Philadelphia accent, which is a "white" accent, is black.  Her family lived here for a while.

2.  At the welfare office, I handled a client for my coworker, Eleanor, who was away from her desk.  When she came back, Eleanor asked me if the client was black or white, based on the telephone conversation.  I said black, and then she showed me a photo a woman with blue eyes, red hair and skin for shades lighter than mine.

Eleanor, who was black, laughed and said, "The first time I talked to her, I thought she was black.  She was talking about going down to North Carolina to visit her family.  I was sure she was black."

3.  The person who I know who has one of the thickest black accents if heard, has a doctorate from Penn, lived in a rather tony suburb, was president of a state professional organization, and drove a Volvo.  She grew up in Virginia.
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J. J.
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 09:21:36 AM »

I have some Austrian friends and having known them for years and visited them in Vienna it is really hard for me to accept the fact Hitler was Austrian.  Now that I read the OP it is suddenly very plausible to me that Hitler was born in Austria.  Ignorance was so nice.  I want it back.

This thread was started by a moderator!  The forum being the forum again.

lol.  I really really really hope you are trolling.  If you knew Tender  Branson or really knew Europeans, you'd know a question like this was curiosity. 

I think you and BRTD need to recalibrate and try again on the race issue.

Agreed, and Black English has been a subject of scholarly inquiry for decades, by both black and white academics.  It is also of interest to black and white people in general.

I might add that it might be closer to the English of Shakespeare than most of us are speaking.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2013, 10:23:48 AM »

2.  At the welfare office, I handled a client for my coworker, Eleanor, who was away from her desk.  When she came back, Eleanor asked me if the client was black or white, based on the telephone conversation.  I said black, and then she showed me a photo a woman with blue eyes, red hair and skin for shades lighter than mine.

Eleanor, who was black, laughed and said, "The first time I talked to her, I thought she was black.  She was talking about going down to North Carolina to visit her family.  I was sure she was black."

Didn't you post something once (certainly more than 5 years ago) about the Bradley-effect and how "black interviewers" impact polling numbers ?

Yes, that has always been a concern.  It was also interviewers with a Spanish accent.  It was also the idea of not wanting another person to think you were racist because of how you vote. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2013, 10:32:33 AM »

I just find it interesting that there are population segments/ethnic groups that have not changed their speaking style over a few hundred years and assimilated with the majority population, while there are others who have.

Bear in mind that in the southeast around the year 1900 where virtually all African-Americans lived, no one, black or white, was speaking in terms you've identified as "mainstream" English. You would start the clock on assimilation into northern English to the time of the Great Migration and then the spread of radio and television, and even then, our media has a diversity of voices and patterns that people are exposed to.

I also wouldn't presume that rural Southern speech of 1900 was the same as that of 1750, but I don't really know.

I think it is closer to 1750 or 1600, than the English I speak.  However, if you took a Southern white population, subjected it to the same conditions, you would probably get something close to Black English.  Confederatics, anyone?  Smiley
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