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J. J.
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« on: November 08, 2004, 10:16:08 PM »


Dionne didn't break down in tears or anything. But he was whining that the president had cynically exploited moral and cultural issues like abortion and gay marriage to win the votes of millions of nutballs on the Christian and NASCAR right.


Unfortunately this is exactly what happened.

Exactly what happened was that the Democrats nominated a candidate who hasn't had a new thought since the 1970's, didn't explain his positions, didn't have firm core beliefs, and then  some Democrats wondered why a majority of the electorate didn't vote for him.
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J. J.
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2004, 10:50:51 PM »

Now, Dionne worried, with the help of an even more dangerously Republican Congress, we're all going to get things like Social Security privatization shoved down our throats!



The Conservatives hated Social Security and Medicare since they were founded by FDR and LBJ. They know very well that they can not kill these programs. What they can do, is to gradually starve them.
That’s exactly what Margaret Tacher tried to do in GB with the national health care system that she hated so much.


One of the people in favor of this served in LBJ's administration, former New York Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a Democrat. 

Shira, this is typical of the outright lies that the loony left puts up.
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J. J.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2004, 11:11:23 PM »


Listen carefully to Conservative commentators, talk show hosts and some house representatives and senators who are not careful enough in shutting their mouth.

I have, and I don't share your delusions.  

You really shouldn't listen to "commentators" of any party.  Should I think that Michael MoreBigMacs speaks for John Kerry and the entire Democratic Party?
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2004, 11:55:38 PM »

Shira, it is an absolute fact that 90% of rich people earned it themselves. You can spin it all you want, but that's the statistic.

By the way, some of the exceptions would be the entire Kennedy family.

One who was born with $100,000 and died with $10,000,000 is not exactly “poor who became rich”. One who was born with $0 in a poor neighborhood and became a millionaire does meet the definition of “poor who became rich”. These are rare creatures but in many cases they are famous.

How about the several dozen people that I know that started out with nothing and one or two generations they are middle class.  It's happened over and over again.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2004, 12:08:03 AM »

Shira, I love how seen incapable of answering my questions and facing reality.
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J. J.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2004, 01:24:02 PM »

I'm going to point out that neith Bush or Kerry were born into a "superrich" family.  Well off, yes, but not on the levels of the Mellons, Duponts, Annenburgs (now), Gates (now), Waltons (now), Rockefellers, or Kennedys.  Where they lower upper class or upper middle class, in terms of wealth?  Yes, but they were not people were even in the top levels of wealth.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2004, 09:21:42 PM »

America loves the Henri Ford story of a poor who became rich.
The matter of the fact is that millions of people did exactly what H.Ford  had done, but they never became H.Ford  and no one know their names. These people are the vast majority, while the Fords are the tiny-but-famous minority.


What makes you thing that to be successful, you must be a millionaire.  Millions of people, at some point in their lives have very little, but prosper.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2004, 12:16:06 AM »

I'm going to point out that neith Bush or Kerry were born into a "superrich" family.  Well off, yes, but not on the levels of the Mellons, Duponts, Annenburgs (now), Gates (now), Waltons (now), Rockefellers, or Kennedys.  Where they lower upper class or upper middle class, in terms of wealth?  Yes, but they were not people were even in the top levels of wealth.

Not superrich but certainly "old money" and well-connected.  W's granddaddy Prescott was a US Senator.

They were well connected because someone a few years back became politically active.  Truman, Nixon, and Ford, and didn't come from well connected families.  I think that it was Clinton's mother who became politically well connected; they never had a lot of money.

It isn't that hard to become "well connected," just start volunteering for the party of your choice.  I became, at one point, very well connected and have no money to show for it.

Don't confuse wealth with power.
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