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« on: June 15, 2018, 06:44:23 PM »

Idk about immigration in the abstract, but i think the story about migrant detention camps (let’s call them what they are) is hurting, especially with suburban women.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2018, 11:27:59 PM »

His child separation policy and detention camp are definitely hurting him. Is it enough to make a difference?

Idk...

Nothing makes sense anymore. The press doesn't know how to handle Drumpf, Republicans are too scared to actually stand up to him, and the Democrats are still struggling to get a word in edgewise.

Everything is so muddled and up in the air that it's near impossible to know what is actually going on in this country.

The midterms will be the true test, but I'm at loss as to what is going on right now...

This is an accurate take.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2018, 08:49:40 AM »

His child separation policy and detention camp are definitely hurting him. Is it enough to make a difference?

Idk...

Nothing makes sense anymore. The press doesn't know how to handle Drumpf, Republicans are too scared to actually stand up to him, and the Democrats are still struggling to get a word in edgewise.

Everything is so muddled and up in the air that it's near impossible to know what is actually going on in this country.

The midterms will be the true test, but I'm at loss as to what is going on right now...

This is an accurate take.

This is an extremely inaccurate take. Anyone who thinks the Republicans aren't standing up to Trump is insane. The Republican leadership has refused to act on his immigration platform, which they never supported. No one in Congress has ever bothered to introduce a bill advocating the policies he advocated during the campaign (total moratorium), instead they introduced a compromise bill that that only cuts immigration but half but even that hasn't been voted on. Republicans keep trying to pass DACA with only flimsy, lip-servce-y concessions to immigration restrictionists and they only fail to pass because the Democrats are so extreme and support amnesty of all current and future illegal aliens (de facto open borders).

That’s because total moratorium restrictionists like yourself are a gang of un-American fringe lunatics, and there’s no real support in either party for a total moratorium of all immigrarion. Take your xenophobic closed border boner somewhere else
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2018, 08:50:19 AM »

The family separation issue is, in my opinion, a clear winner for Democrats and Anti-Trumpers. Basically every religious organization in the country has condemned it. I haven't seen recent polling, but I am sure that it is extremely unpopular among the American public. If I were Schumer or Pelosi, I'd be instructing my caucus to try to get booked on as many cable news shows as possible bringing attention to the issue. Jacky Rosen and Kyrsten Sinema can easily use this to their advantage by tying their opponents to the Trump administration's policy in their Hispanic-heavy states. Get some marches going. Do some sit-ins or unannounced arrivals at these camps, like Jeff Merkley did. Make a big deal. Some argued that the Democratic opposition to the Tax Bill was hyperbolic, but it's hard to be hyperbolic with family separation. It literally is inhumane by every definition of the word.

Your result is:
1) Trump/GOP gets rid of family separation and the reversal can be painted as an effective victory for the #resistance.
2) They don't and it shifts the immigration polling to the Democrats before the midterms.



I think Beto and some House candidates are doing just that this week, actually
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2018, 09:22:22 AM »

America is a country of immigrants, including Native Americans who came over a land bridge. It’s fair to have a discussion about what number per year is best, and how to prioritize skilled immigration (I’d be amenable to a Canadian-style immigrarion system myself), but that’s not the discussion you want to have, and you have never, not once, engaged in a discussion about this subject in good faith.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2018, 09:54:22 AM »

America is a country of immigrants, including Native Americans who came over a land bridge. It’s fair to have a discussion about what number per year is best, and how to prioritize skilled immigration (I’d be amenable to a Canadian-style immigrarion system myself), but that’s not the discussion you want to have, and you have never, not once, engaged in a discussion about this subject in good faith.

The RAISE Act promoted by Trump (which I support as a compromise) basically IS the Canadian system.

Why aren't you supporting Trump on immigration then? Why don't you support the RAISE Act? Talk about bad faith.

RAISE didn’t address my issues with the bureaucratic morass of the immigration system, and the points system developed by it seemed clearly intended to specifically curtail nonwhite immigration rather than promote skills-based immigration in a colorblind fashion. As for Trump, he’s a demogogic thug who locks children in dog kennels. There is nothing that asshole could do to undo his alienation of me.

Of course, any position to your left on immigration is “bad faith” by your standard so I’ll extricate myself from this conversation now.
Good day.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2018, 11:26:59 AM »

When you've lost Bill O'Reilly...



Well damn.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2018, 12:34:22 PM »

Charlie Baker is recalling the Massachusetts National Guard from the southern border:



Thank you, Governor Baker.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2018, 05:10:20 PM »

It must be toxic as they keep delaying the WH Press briefing



I really want to watch SHS try and stand up there and continue to lie to us about this sick policy. I want her to crumble on TV.  

Supposedly she refused to do it, which is why they brought Nielsen in:



Damn we found something even SHS won’t lie about
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2018, 07:16:47 PM »

I hope this disgusting act brings down his administration.
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