Atlasian-United States Relations Exploration Act [Passed]

[Sam Spade]

Atlasian-United States Relations Exploration Act

Upon the passage of this bill, the United States Relations Commission shall be created with the following guidelines:
     a. The said commission shall be composed of the following:
            i. One member of the executive branch, as chosen by the President, with the possibility of the President himself,
           ii. Two members of the Senate, as chosen by the Senate at large, to be determined by a first past the post system of voting in the Senate with the top two recipients of votes being elected to serve on the commission,
          iii. One member of the Supreme Court, with the members of the Supreme Court choosing its representive in the same manner as the Senate,
          iv. One governor, as chosen by the governors as a whole by a first past the post system identical to the one used to elect the representatives from the Senate, and
         v. Two other citizens of Atlasia chosen the President, with no requirements on holding or not holding office for any of these citizens.
     b. The said commission shall elect a President and a Vice President to guide debate.
     c. In addition to the inclusion of a President and Vice President, the commission shall create its own rules and procedures and debate, including entertaining statements by citizens of Atlasia who are not members of the Commission and asking other citizens to appear for question and answer sessions.
     d. The primary goal of the said commission shall be to provide a comprehensive policy to the Senate on the possible recognition of the United States, with the topics including the following, but no limited to:
         i. Recognition of the United States,
         ii. Divergence from actual history,
         iii. The budget of Atlasia with regard to the United States,
         iv. The role of the Game Moderator, and
         v. The population, power, and status of Atlasia if it were to recognize the United States
     e. The Commission shall create a final report on its findings on the said issues to present to the Senate.
     f. The report of the commission shall not become law, but shall be used by the Senate for future consideration on this issue.

(Sponsor: Lewis Trondheim)

[Sam Spade]

bump - vote still ongoing on amendment...

[Sam Spade]

Less than one day to vote on this one.

[Sam Spade]

With 3 votes in favor, 3 against and 4 not voting, the VP gets to do his duty.

(for the record I would have voted Abstain, but decided not to vote for Rob's sake)

[Sam Spade]

We are now voting on the following amendment:

Motion to amend the bill by striking section 3.

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Aye, though I once again repeat that I will vote against final passage.

[Sam Spade]

Amendment to replace the title and text of this act with the following:

Resolution on the issue of Atlasian recognition of the United States of America

Whereas, the Senate, previously silent on matters of recognition of the United States of America, officially urges support of the official standpoint of the Atlasian government, that the United States of America exists on some planet, far, far away, called Earth, and does not exist on the planet where Atlasia is located.

[Sam Spade]

We are now voting on the following amendment:

Resolution on the issue of Atlasian recognition of the United States of America

Whereas, the Senate, previously silent on matters of recognition of the United States of America, officially urges support of the official standpoint of the Atlasian government, that the United States of America exists on some planet, far, far away, called Earth, and does not exist on the planet where Atlasia is located.

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Aye.

[Sam Spade]

bump, anything else or should cloture be called?

[Sam Spade]

We are now voting on a "motion for cloture".

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Nay, primarily b/c I am unsure if the votes are there to defeat this legislation.

[Sam Spade]

Present Tally:  4 votes in favor, 1 against, 1 abstention and 4 not voting (EarlAW, Rob, Brandon H, afleitch)

[Sam Spade]

Nay

[Sam Spade]

With 4 votes in favor, 4 against and 2 abstentions, the VP gets to do his duty.

[Sam Spade]

I urge, once again, the President to veto this legislation.  If he does sign, however, I will ignore it.  And if the President does acknowledge the US, I will ignore that too, and discuss my options to deal with such matters with other concerned Atlasian citizens.

[Sam Spade]

This legislation has enough votes to pass.  Senators shall have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Sam Spade]

If he does sign, however, I will ignore it.

Ignore it as PPT, or as a citizen?

As a Senator and citizen, not as PPT, which is obviously an administrative position, only.

[Sam Spade]

Alright, according to the procedure laid out in the 19th amendment, Lewis, as original sponsor, you need to tell me whether to file a motion to approve the President's redraft or that you are withdrawing the bill...

[Sam Spade]

bumping b/c I need an answer from Lewis before I can proceed.

[Sam Spade]

We are now voting on the Presidential Redraft, as follows:

The Presidential Redraft reads:

Resolution on the issue of Atlasian recognition of the United States of America

Whereas, contrary to the official standpoint of the Atlasian government, the United States of America are still in existence, and still in possession of all the territories formerly in their possession,

Section 1

1. The Government of Atlasia is urged to recognize de jure the United States of America, and the legality of the government of the United States of America.
2. The Government of Atlasia is urged to establish diplomatic relations with the United States of America.

Section 2

1. The recognition of the United States, under the above terms, shall not take effect until such time as it approved of by a majority vote of the people of Atlasia (ignoring abstentions).

2. This vote shall take place no later than one month following the passage of this resolution under the overseeing of the Department of Forum Affairs and shall last for 72 hours. At least 5 days official notice shall be given by the Department of the upcoming ballot.

3. The vote shall constitute an election for the purposes of sections 10, 11, 13, 14 of the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act (as amended).

Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Sam Spade]

Nay.  Simply put, I trust the voters of the Southeast to reject this proposal, but not the other Regions. 

[Sam Spade]

This veto/redraft has enough votes to pass.  Senators shall have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Sam Spade]

Nay.  Simply put, I trust the voters of the Southeast to reject this proposal, but not the other Regions. 

It's not going by regions.

Yes its by a simple majority vote of all Atlasians not an amendment style regional referendum.

No wonder I voted against it then.