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Question: How much trouble are the Dems in...?
#1
Relax!.. Kerry lost by under 3% - Things are fine, don't overreact
 
#2
The Dems need a better candidate, but the fundemental "message" is fine
 
#3
The message needs a "tuneup" but not an overhaul
 
#4
The Dems need to substantially rethink themselves, but can rebound
 
#5
The GOP has entered a period of structural dominance
 
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Sam Spade
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« on: December 03, 2004, 05:00:50 AM »
« edited: December 03, 2004, 05:34:28 AM by SamSpade »

The Democratic Party isn't in trouble... they did well in the State Legislatures this year and all things (like the re-gerrymandering of Texas and the fact that the Minority Leader hams up the whole SF Liberal thing to avoid a primary challenge...) considered did well in the House... so at lower levels things aren't that bad.

The problem is the lack of any real organisation at national level, etc, etc, etc.

I agree on the state legislatures.  The issue there is that most of the people on the state legislature level who are Democrats are at odds with what much of the national party stands for right now.

This will continue to hurt them in Senate races and at the national level in Red states or weak Blue states as long as the Republicans go with the successful tactic of nationalizing state elections (as they have in 2002 and 2004).

The House is so gerrymandered, any real major changes (barring a 1994-style event) are pretty much impossible until 2012.  The GOP picked up four seats in Texas through the DeLay gerrymander.  The rest of the country returned the exact same representation as before.  Dems picked up a seat in Colorado and knocked off an incumbent in Georgia.  GOP picked up a seat in Kentucky and knocked off an incumbent in Indiana. 

Two open seats are up for grabs in Louisiana, one Dem, one GOP.  If the GOP wins both seats, they're +1 for the year outside of Texas and can really dampen Dem morale, as the Dems will only control one House seat in Lousiana (in New Orleans).  If the Dems win both seats, they're +1 for the year outside of Texas and can stop the bleeding for now.

I have now just listed all of the interesting business in the House for the 2004 election.  Whoop-dee-doo.
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Sam Spade
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2004, 05:34:05 AM »

You're right.  Change noted in my analysis above.
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Sam Spade
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2004, 07:36:32 AM »

Actually the Democrats made a net gain of 2 seats nationally outside of Texas. You forgot that the Dems beat a GOP incumbent in Illinois and won an open seat in New York.

You are correct as I overlooked Phil Crane in Illinois 8 and the open seat in NY 27. 

I also made the mistake that the GOP picked up 5 seats in Texas due to the gerrymander.

I hate to be wrong on stuff like these.
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