Protests Against Modi's Citizenship Law Morphing into Opposition to Hindutva

[Mr. Illini]

The CAA is no where what most of you are making it out to be lol. The US has passed similar fast-track bills before(For Cubans) and so have so many other nations.

What are your thoughts on the national registry of citizens? You do understand the poor in India don't have proper documentation? Most aren't born in hospitals and may not have permanent addresses. The CAB allows the BJP to make poor Muslims into illegals and allows them to do whatever they want with them.

Also No it does not do that to Muslims unless they had illegally immigrated to India in which case they are already in India Illegally

On National Registry of Citizens, that was passed into law before Modi was PM.

The national registry of citizens would make illegal anyone who wasn't able to prove they were born in India. This is not uncommon among the poor in India. I don't know how well you know the circumstances of the poor in India. I actually lived there for a good part of my childhood.

Due to the CAA, everyone who isn't Muslim and adversely affected by this can just claim to be a "refugee" and stay in India. But if they are Muslim, I guess they don't belong? Do you think India is a Hindu country or a secular country where all religions are respected and accepted as a part of Indian society?

I was a BJP supporter due to their superior economic ideas but the Indian constitution is much more important than that. I grew up in Delhi. I would be one of those BJP-->AAP voters in the recent Delhi elections and I don't see any reason to go back.

- But it wasn’t passed under this government, the bill was passed a long time ago

- No all it does is fast tracks citizenship for a very narrow group of people. If you are a Hindu refugee from Syria you won’t get fast tracked like everyone else

But now it has teeth. They were never going to enforce it if it meant poor Hindus getting caught up in it. Now all they have to do is not be a Muslim and they get their citizenship back. Muslims get theirs taken away. How is that fair?

How does a citizenships registry result in people losing their citizenship. If you have citizenship wouldn’t you be on the registry and if you don’t you wouldn’t be on it



My dad said this talking point is 100% a lie

Your dad must be intimately aware of the situation of the poor in India. They don’t have records such as birth certificates. How are those people going to prove their citizenship? It’s not as if only Muslims would be affected by this, Hindus and others would as well. But only Muslims can’t claim refugee status if they can’t prove their citizenship. This whole affair has the potential to be really bad for India if they try to round up Muslims and put them in camps and deport them to Bangladesh and Nepal.

The citizenship law by itself isn’t so bad, but the national register of citizens is a disaster waiting to happen. Remember, I am a BJP supporter and was the lone voice on this forum defending Modi back in 2014 when everyone here thought he was a genocidal maniac.

Old School Republican refuses to call this what it is, as usual.

Undocumented Hindus are being given the opportunity to have their citizenship fast tracked because of their religion while undocumented Muslims are not. The government is preparing to deport undocumented Muslims.

Modi's government is using this as a tool to remove Muslims from the country on the basis of their religion. Do you have a term for that other than ethnic cleansing?

Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have spoken very clearly on the discriminatory nature of the CAA and the human rights abuses that are being committed against protesters.

If you're on the opposite side of those organizations on an issue of human rights, you should re-evaluate your position.

[Mr. Illini]

The CAA is no where what most of you are making it out to be lol. The US has passed similar fast-track bills before(For Cubans) and so have so many other nations.

What are your thoughts on the national registry of citizens? You do understand the poor in India don't have proper documentation? Most aren't born in hospitals and may not have permanent addresses. The CAB allows the BJP to make poor Muslims into illegals and allows them to do whatever they want with them.

Also No it does not do that to Muslims unless they had illegally immigrated to India in which case they are already in India Illegally

On National Registry of Citizens, that was passed into law before Modi was PM.

The national registry of citizens would make illegal anyone who wasn't able to prove they were born in India. This is not uncommon among the poor in India. I don't know how well you know the circumstances of the poor in India. I actually lived there for a good part of my childhood.

Due to the CAA, everyone who isn't Muslim and adversely affected by this can just claim to be a "refugee" and stay in India. But if they are Muslim, I guess they don't belong? Do you think India is a Hindu country or a secular country where all religions are respected and accepted as a part of Indian society?

I was a BJP supporter due to their superior economic ideas but the Indian constitution is much more important than that. I grew up in Delhi. I would be one of those BJP-->AAP voters in the recent Delhi elections and I don't see any reason to go back.

- But it wasn’t passed under this government, the bill was passed a long time ago

- No all it does is fast tracks citizenship for a very narrow group of people. If you are a Hindu refugee from Syria you won’t get fast tracked like everyone else

But now it has teeth. They were never going to enforce it if it meant poor Hindus getting caught up in it. Now all they have to do is not be a Muslim and they get their citizenship back. Muslims get theirs taken away. How is that fair?

How does a citizenships registry result in people losing their citizenship. If you have citizenship wouldn’t you be on the registry and if you don’t you wouldn’t be on it



My dad said this talking point is 100% a lie

Your dad must be intimately aware of the situation of the poor in India. They don’t have records such as birth certificates. How are those people going to prove their citizenship? It’s not as if only Muslims would be affected by this, Hindus and others would as well. But only Muslims can’t claim refugee status if they can’t prove their citizenship. This whole affair has the potential to be really bad for India if they try to round up Muslims and put them in camps and deport them to Bangladesh and Nepal.

The citizenship law by itself isn’t so bad, but the national register of citizens is a disaster waiting to happen. Remember, I am a BJP supporter and was the lone voice on this forum defending Modi back in 2014 when everyone here thought he was a genocidal maniac.

Old School Republican refuses to call this what it is, as usual.

Undocumented Hindus are being given the opportunity to have their citizenship fast tracked because of their religion while undocumented Muslims are not. The government is preparing to deport undocumented Muslims.

Modi's government is using this as a tool to remove Muslims from the country on the basis of their religion. Do you have a term for that other than ethnic cleansing?

Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have spoken very clearly on the discriminatory nature of the CAA and the human rights abuses that are being committed against protesters.

If you're on the opposite side of those organizations on an issue of human rights, you should re-evaluate your position.

First of all a nation has the right to do what ever they want with their illegal immigants and keep whomever they want. Illegal immigrants have no right to stay no matter which country they are in.  Of Course Minority Religious Refugees(which by the way it is for not just Hindus) from Pakistan should get preferential treatment because sending them back would be literally killing them.

Also by that same criteria , was fast-tracking Cuban process of citizenship(look how fast they go permanent residency) racist as no other group got that treatment. Of course not and many nations do similar things as the CAA. Is Israel's policy towards Jewish refugees bad by that same criteria. Many nations do similar things as the CAA and I support the US policy towards Cuban refugees and Israel's policies towards Jewish refugees


Lastly I dont care what Amnesty International thinks given they want to arrest so many US leaders.
They are an Anti-American group so for that reason I dont have at all a positive opinion of them. Amnesty International by the way also considers Israel terrible too which shows they like many international organizations have more interest in going after the US , Israel and India rather than actual human right violators  

a nation has the right to do what ever they want with their illegal immigants and keep whomever they want

Perhaps, so long as they do not abuse the human rights of those illegal immigrants. BJP politicians have been giving hate speeches and encouraging violence against Muslims. Hundreds are dead as a result.

And while a nation may have the right to set its immigration policy, let's not pretend that India is any longer the secular democracy that it has been since 1976 if it is imposing religious litmus tests for enforcement of the law. A secular government doesn't do that.

Do you still value secular, liberal democracy? I would hope that an "Old School Republican" would. Maybe not a Trump Republican.

I dont care what Amnesty International thinks given they want to arrest so many US leaders

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am sure it is some hyperbolic nonsense. Amnesty speaks out on human rights abuses being done by any government. They have indeed spoken out when the Israeli government has abused human rights just as they have spoken out when the Iranian, Saudi, Chinese, Syrian, or any other government has abused human rights.

You're on the wrong side of history when you begin bashing international human rights organizations over their calling out obvious human rights abuses.

[Mr. Illini]

The CAA is no where what most of you are making it out to be lol. The US has passed similar fast-track bills before(For Cubans) and so have so many other nations.

What are your thoughts on the national registry of citizens? You do understand the poor in India don't have proper documentation? Most aren't born in hospitals and may not have permanent addresses. The CAB allows the BJP to make poor Muslims into illegals and allows them to do whatever they want with them.

Also No it does not do that to Muslims unless they had illegally immigrated to India in which case they are already in India Illegally

On National Registry of Citizens, that was passed into law before Modi was PM.

The national registry of citizens would make illegal anyone who wasn't able to prove they were born in India. This is not uncommon among the poor in India. I don't know how well you know the circumstances of the poor in India. I actually lived there for a good part of my childhood.

Due to the CAA, everyone who isn't Muslim and adversely affected by this can just claim to be a "refugee" and stay in India. But if they are Muslim, I guess they don't belong? Do you think India is a Hindu country or a secular country where all religions are respected and accepted as a part of Indian society?

I was a BJP supporter due to their superior economic ideas but the Indian constitution is much more important than that. I grew up in Delhi. I would be one of those BJP-->AAP voters in the recent Delhi elections and I don't see any reason to go back.

- But it wasn’t passed under this government, the bill was passed a long time ago

- No all it does is fast tracks citizenship for a very narrow group of people. If you are a Hindu refugee from Syria you won’t get fast tracked like everyone else

But now it has teeth. They were never going to enforce it if it meant poor Hindus getting caught up in it. Now all they have to do is not be a Muslim and they get their citizenship back. Muslims get theirs taken away. How is that fair?

How does a citizenships registry result in people losing their citizenship. If you have citizenship wouldn’t you be on the registry and if you don’t you wouldn’t be on it



My dad said this talking point is 100% a lie

Your dad must be intimately aware of the situation of the poor in India. They don’t have records such as birth certificates. How are those people going to prove their citizenship? It’s not as if only Muslims would be affected by this, Hindus and others would as well. But only Muslims can’t claim refugee status if they can’t prove their citizenship. This whole affair has the potential to be really bad for India if they try to round up Muslims and put them in camps and deport them to Bangladesh and Nepal.

The citizenship law by itself isn’t so bad, but the national register of citizens is a disaster waiting to happen. Remember, I am a BJP supporter and was the lone voice on this forum defending Modi back in 2014 when everyone here thought he was a genocidal maniac.

Old School Republican refuses to call this what it is, as usual.

Undocumented Hindus are being given the opportunity to have their citizenship fast tracked because of their religion while undocumented Muslims are not. The government is preparing to deport undocumented Muslims.

Modi's government is using this as a tool to remove Muslims from the country on the basis of their religion. Do you have a term for that other than ethnic cleansing?

Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have spoken very clearly on the discriminatory nature of the CAA and the human rights abuses that are being committed against protesters.

If you're on the opposite side of those organizations on an issue of human rights, you should re-evaluate your position.

First of all a nation has the right to do what ever they want with their illegal immigants and keep whomever they want. Illegal immigrants have no right to stay no matter which country they are in.  Of Course Minority Religious Refugees(which by the way it is for not just Hindus) from Pakistan should get preferential treatment because sending them back would be literally killing them.

Also by that same criteria , was fast-tracking Cuban process of citizenship(look how fast they go permanent residency) racist as no other group got that treatment. Of course not and many nations do similar things as the CAA. Is Israel's policy towards Jewish refugees bad by that same criteria. Many nations do similar things as the CAA and I support the US policy towards Cuban refugees and Israel's policies towards Jewish refugees


Lastly I dont care what Amnesty International thinks given they want to arrest so many US leaders.
They are an Anti-American group so for that reason I dont have at all a positive opinion of them. Amnesty International by the way also considers Israel terrible too which shows they like many international organizations have more interest in going after the US , Israel and India rather than actual human right violators  

a nation has the right to do what ever they want with their illegal immigants and keep whomever they want

Perhaps, so long as they do not abuse the human rights of those illegal immigrants. BJP politicians have been giving hate speeches and encouraging violence against Muslims. Hundreds are dead as a result.

And while a nation may have the right to set its immigration policy, let's not pretend that India is any longer the secular democracy that it has been since 1976 if it is imposing religious litmus tests for enforcement of the law. A secular government doesn't do that.

Do you still value secular, liberal democracy? I would hope that an "Old School Republican" would. Maybe not a Trump Republican.

I dont care what Amnesty International thinks given they want to arrest so many US leaders

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am sure it is some hyperbolic nonsense. Amnesty speaks out on human rights abuses being done by any government. They have indeed spoken out when the Israeli government has abused human rights just as they have spoken out when the Iranian, Saudi, Chinese, Syrian, or any other government has abused human rights.

You're on the wrong side of history when you begin bashing international human rights organizations over their calling out obvious human rights abuses.

- Some BJP politicians are HP, Modi isnt and we are talking about the CAA not what random politicians say. Also the problem in India is law and order , simple as that and the left-wing in India screams fascism if you try to implement US Style law and order policies that would fix much of the problems.

- Again the CAA is no different than what the US has done with Cuba, and what Israel does with Jewish refugees. To make it seem like its a threat to secular Democracy is hyperbole in every way possible.

- Amnesty International wants to Arrest Former US Presidents so screw them in every possible way. They are an Anti-American organization to the core

I look forward to the Indian authorities enforcing law and order against the BJP politicians giving hate speeches and the Hindutva fascists burning mosques, attacking Muslims/non-Hindus, and publicly marking homes as Hindu or non-Hindu.

Last I checked, the United States government has not applied a religious litmus test on deportations of those illegally in the country. Trump has targeted Muslim countries as part of his "Muslim ban," which is disgusting and wrong.

There is certainly a massive difference between this and our policy toward Cuban refugees, which 1) concerns those outside of the country, not selective enforcement of the law within the country and 2) has no connection to the religion of those involved.

BJP is pretty transparently a Hindu nationalist party. Stop pretending this is anything other than what it is - an attempt to remove non-Hindus from the country on the basis of their religion. Once you accept that, you have to ask yourself whether that is something that is okay with you.

Would you be okay with it here in the USA? Do you value the good economic policy of a government over their respect for freedom of religion and liberal democracy? That's a question you'll have to ask yourself again this November. I'll say, it is much easier to turn around a bad economy than it is to re-establish democratic, secular norms once they have been trashed.