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  Which commonly made sage talking point is more annoying? (search mode)
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Question: Which commonly made sage talking point is more annoying?
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Nixon was more liberal than any Presidents who followed him
 
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The Democrats are to the right of all European parties
 
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Mordecai
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« on: February 18, 2014, 02:49:46 AM »

If the political compass was accurate, than even in with the most right-wing results I got I'm apparently only as far right as Obama and as libertarian as Jill Stein. So, yeah, that chart is complete bullsh**t.

Again, you continue to see things from solely an American perspective. On a worldwide scale, not the kind that relies heavily on an Overton Window within a particular contemporary context, Obama is a conservative.

Yeah yeah, I know Obama is conservative by international standards. But is he really that far to the right?

He's that far to the right because the entire American political spectrum is skewed that far to the right. Is that really so hard to understand? You need to look outside the borders of America. It's the most capitalist country on the face of the earth, of course the left-wing politicians are going to be considerably far more to the right than their counterparts in Europe.

Is that really something you find unbelievable? The political compass is supposed to represent the political positions of people as far apart as Hitler and Gandhi. You really expected to find Obama firmly in the left quadrant? Of course Obama and Romney are going to be that close on the graph, that's the converging effect that the political system has on politicians. This is not something you should find surprising. As candidates Obama and Romney are going to be more mainstream and converged around similar positions than people like Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul.

That's not to say that Obama and Romney are exactly the same, but to pretend that they don't more or less agree on a significant number of positions is naive. Let's not forget we're talking about a President who adopted wholesale the opposing candidate's state healthcare reform plan. A healthcare plan based on markets and private insurance companies.
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Mordecai
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2014, 12:06:46 PM »

Be that as it may, I've taken the "test" dozens of times.  While some questions may be vague life lessons ("When you're worried it's best not to worry about things," WTF?), most of them are pretty freaking obvious policy questions.  In order for somebody to get the scores that Obama supposedly has they have to answer the test like a fundamentalist wackjob.
And I'm not making that up.  TJinCleve took the test and ended up with a more left winged score than Obama supposedly has on their test.

I mean, I probably fall into the category of True Leftism, but these guys are obviously on something.

Ok, good point. I took the test as a cynical Obama and still ended up dead centre of all four quadrants. It seems to me they just randomly plotted the world leaders on areas of the graph they think they go and didn't bother trying to guess their answers for the test.

I also forgot how awful the test questions are and how an answer is usually biased in one direction. I do like the idea though of social and economic axes.
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