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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2016, 04:56:06 PM »
99-28-3
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jaichind
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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2016, 05:01:01 PM »
108-28-3
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2016, 05:04:05 PM »
Dilma is not getting the defections from PMDB, PSD, and PP at the rate she needs to survive in my view.
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jaichind
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2016, 05:05:02 PM »
What is the position of the PDT on this vote? They seem to be split down the middle on this.
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jaichind
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2016, 05:10:11 PM »
121-29-3
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2016, 05:15:21 PM »
Dilma's goal is to get to 163 No/Abstain.  PT (I think) 70 members.  This means she has to get 93 non-PT members. 

So far it is 126-30-3 with 17 PT Nos.  This means so far there are 16 non-PT No/Abstains.  But 31.5% of members of Congress voted already so she is way under the run rate to get to 93 non-PT No/Abstains.
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2016, 05:22:30 PM »
136-35-3.

20 PT No's so 18 non-PT No/Abstains.    34.5% members voted.  Goal is 93 non-PT No/Abstains.  Run rate which is 19.4% of target well below the target of 34.5%
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2016, 05:49:32 PM »
171-44-3.  Only 22 non-PT No/abstains
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jaichind
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2016, 06:13:58 PM »
200-51-3.  31 PR nos so that is 23 non-PT no/abstains when 93 are needed.  With half the vote counted at this rate Dilma will fall around 45 votes short which is around 387 yes
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jaichind
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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2016, 06:27:08 PM »
211-59-3 with 32 PT votes.  That is 30 non-PT No/Abstain votes with the target of 93.  With 273 votes counted the run rate is 56 non-PT Non/Abstain votes.  This means Yes is on target to be 379.
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jaichind
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2016, 06:38:51 PM »
219-70-4
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jaichind
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2016, 06:39:52 PM »
Now that the Congress vote has gone against Dilma I assume that there is a simple and clear majority for impeachment in the Senate ?
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2016, 06:41:58 PM »
Quote from: Simfan34 on April 17, 2016, 06:40:47 PM
In what order are they voting, anyway?

It seems by state.
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jaichind
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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2016, 06:46:07 PM »
I like how for every speech there is someone else recording the speech with their smartphone.   I assume to be used for the said Member of Congress re-election campaign.
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2016, 06:48:32 PM »
Is the a limit on how long these speeches can last?  If not I think PT should start thinking of a filibuster based strategy to drag this out, perhaps forever.
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2016, 06:50:36 PM »
229-75-4-1  (The 1 is absent which does not count toward the 504 present to vote)
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jaichind
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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2016, 07:01:21 PM »
Where the parties stand are clearly on a Left-Right Axis.  All Center-Right pro-government bloc parities defected to vote Yes with the center-Right opposition while non-government but Leftist parties are voting No.  In that sense Dilma's strategy is making this vote about protecting the various transfer payment schemes is working.  It is there are not enough Leftist members of Congress to make her defense viable.  
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2016, 07:09:15 PM »
247-80-4-1
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2016, 07:13:23 PM »
Brazil ETFs trading Asia are up 2.2%.  This is on a day that due to the failure of OPEC oil talks are dragging down the equity markets across the board for fear that lower oil prices will hit energy companies and then in turn banks.  
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2016, 07:27:52 PM »
264-85-4-2
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2016, 07:42:39 PM »
276-92-4-2
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2016, 08:11:41 PM »
303-100-4-2
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2016, 08:18:16 PM »
(Bloomberg) --
A government leader said Brazil’s opposition won the vote in the lower house of Congress to impeach President Dilma Rousseff.

Congressman Jose Guimaraes, Rousseff’s leader in the lower house, said the government still has a chance to win when the motion moves to the Senate. He said that the "coup mongers" were stronger, but that there will be a fight in the justice system.

The impeachment vote in the lower house is ongoing.
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2016, 08:23:18 PM »
« Edited: April 17, 2016, 08:27:53 PM by jaichind »
313-104-5-2
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jaichind
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E: 9.03, S: -5.39
« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2016, 08:45:40 PM »
326-120-6-2

Its getting close to 342
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