Breaking: Supreme Court rules SSM a legal right

[CountryClassSF]

I wasn't even addressing you. Stop trying to start arguments.

Yes, no one is allowed to utter an opinion that is different from yours, otherwise it's all trolling/malintention

[CountryClassSF]

Kagan and Ginsberg officiated SSMs. That's why I say Traditional Marriage wins 4-3

Reminds me of that one time they wanted Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from a case because his wife gave an opinion on it.  Goalposts moved again.

[CountryClassSF]

The definition of trolling to some is having a view that you find unfathomable, or an unconventional view. And when that person attempts to make their case and defend themselves against the onslaught, they get attacked further.

My response on this thread was  about the ruling and the role of the courts, and said nothing about gay people.  Sorry for those who are trying to find bigotry that doesn't exist.

[CountryClassSF]

Let's assume CCSF is lying about being gay, in order to give his opposition to gays and SSM more "bite" or whatever.

With the reaction I get here from it, wouldn't that be the polar opposite of what I would do, if I had some grand strategy to try to convince people to be against SSM?

My opinions are my own. I have time and time again cited polling data that there are others who identify as LGBT and share them with pollsters.

[CountryClassSF]

No, it makes opposing what is in your own interests for the larger public good seem just more noble. Yes, I know, there is the "self hating" rap, but that jab, is way, way overused in my opinion, in this day and age. No, odds are CCSF that you are a mere liar. You aren't gay, but more importantly, I don't think you are getting laid enough. You worry, way, way too much about what gays do. It's just not healthy for you. You need to get over it - for your own good really.

I'll take it one by one.

First, it's not in my interest to have a marriage. Not everyone wants their relationship called that if they don't believe in it, whether for personal, religious reasons or both.

Secondly, I have offered repeatedly to somehow "prove" that I am gay, but I don't see what it is that I can do to do that.  Even if I somehow did that, there'd still be unsatisfied people.

I'm sorry that you think I'm a liar - but again, I'm happy to put the meme to rest.

It's obvious that to those who think I am a troll, my saying that I am gay *hurts* my cause. So where would the benefits be of saying something that you claim is false?

[CountryClassSF]

It seems to me that one poster finds a way to turn threads into being just about him. That to me seems to be trolling and I wish people would ignore such a poster. You go through a thread hoping to read an interchange and then it just becomes page after page of one poster and those who respond to him.

Is that the kind of person that makes this place interesting or someone who ruins the whole point?

See this is what I  spoke about above. I state my opinion on a court ruling, people instantly attack me and claim I'm not gay, I respond to the posts, and I'm accused of the thread turning into something about me.
No, that'd be YOU making it about me.

[CountryClassSF]

You didn't find this thread "interesting?" But that reminds me, CCSF, don't go "gay" on threads that are not about gay. That's impolite. And if done enough, it's a violation of the terms of use.

This thread is explicitly about gay marriage. I guess you can go on a fishing expedition for the past 2 years of commentary in  threads, but I think it obviously hasn't been 'done enough' otherwise there wouldn't be all that future tense in there.

 

[CountryClassSF]

If you were gay, you would not hate yourself. Thus, you're not gay. Or if not, at the very least you're into S/M.

You have got to get out of the groupthink mentality. So, I guess all the self-ID'd LGBT folks who oppose SSM and voted as such in California just pretended ?

Not liking an aspect about yourself doesn't equate to hating yourself, your disgusting last sentence aside.

[CountryClassSF]

Indeed it is, but one the raps against you, is that you bring gay issues into discussions out of the blue that are not about gays. I don't know the merits of that rap, but my best advice is not to do that.

Except I don't do that, so...great.

[CountryClassSF]

people have been fighting against their own rights for over a century. that alone wouldn't make ccsf a troll.

thanks I think.....

Just keep in mind not everyone has the same idea of what is a right to them and what's not.  But appreciate it anyway...

[CountryClassSF]

Interactions with fictional personas are best left to role playing with the gf and fan fiction. I like this forum for enlightened (or at least entertaining) political discussion.

No you don't. You like one sided discussion, and if someone has a view you find to be out of the mainstream, you make personal attacks against them and who they are.

[CountryClassSF]

Pushing the edge might get your post deleted, so it will be lost in cyberspace, rather than stay for all to savor for posterity as it were (the death points being a side issue). You can make your point within the rules. Heck I just did, I think, positing that I think CCSF is probably lying based on the evidence.

Okay, that's it. I'll ask one final time, how can I prove to you that I am gay? my name? something from a long time ago that has me stating that I'm gay?  Just tell me now.

P.S. Don't serve on a jury.

[CountryClassSF]

Are you willing to at least discuss how you interpret the Bible to forbid gay marriage but only being "ambiguous" regarding gay marriage? On the surface that seems ludicrous to me, but I'm willing to genuinely listen with open ears and mind.

Yes, of course I'm willing to discuss it. But I think somehow proving (to mods only, if I need to give my name, etc) that I'm gay first will be helpful. If you'd like me to explain the marriage vs homosexuality thing, I can try to do that here if it will be permitted to.

I've PMed both you and another mod offering to give my name or preferably something else. Let's get this myth out of the way once and for all.

[CountryClassSF]

Sure. If I can give my opinion on a gay thread without hostile commentary directed at me from multiple posters, itd be very easy. Many choose to make it about me, I give my opinion like others do, and some posters choose to directly attack me.

Others choose to make it about me while I just give a one-post opinion.

And tortured soul bc I am not a fan of SSM?? Sheesh may be going just a little overboard there

[CountryClassSF]

... And we're back to the gay marriage/slavery comparisons.

[CountryClassSF]

... And we're back to the gay marriage/slavery comparisons.

Ok, racial segregation would be the more applicable analogy. Happy?

Not quite. No separation. no separate water fountains. You can't compare it.

[CountryClassSF]

I have an idea! Whenever any of the gay posters get married, they should pm pics to CountryClassSF!

Mature take

[CountryClassSF]

Many of us are bullied by LGBT leftists. Just ask Baronelle Stutzman who had to shut down her business. Does "it get better" for her ?

[CountryClassSF]

So, Badger, in response to inquiry  on homosexuality and the Bible and my thoughts vs SSM:

On homosexuality in and of itself, here are my thoughts and how I see the Bible.
I preface this with the fact that I could use more bible study.

Based on my own experience and obviously so many others, I do believe sexual orientation is not a conscious choice.  I don't know if it's something you're born with, I don't know if it's something learned, but I do remember that from childhood onward, I definitely felt different from others. That's how I Think we can logically conclude, that it is LIKELY a biological issue.

Having prefaced this with that, if homosexuality were itself a sin, because of free will, there would have to be some kind of choice involved.  Coveting is chosen, lying is chosen.  But we know sexuality is not. 
That is why although I think it's ambiguous based on wording/translations in the NT (1 Corinth 6:9), the translation of "homosexuals" has been interpreted by some to be many other things, such as a high priest, effeminate according to some scholars meant a weak person morally.

Furthermore, I do think it's an open question whether gay acts are permissible biblically, but because gay relationships have just as much of an emotional connection as heterosexual relationships, I do not see why God would connect the emotion of love to something that is abomination to God.

As for gay marriage, we can go back to Genesis as to how God defined marriage. Becoming one flesh , fruitful and multiply. I think it's plainfully clear that the institution of  marriage was intended for procreation.


Most of my reasons for opposing gay marriage is that I think there has to be some kind of societal boundary and respecting tradition. 

Constitutionally, I do not think that when the 14th amendment was authored in 1860s, that they were thinking about two men getting hitched.

And I do not like the way gay activists have gone about it.

I hope this helped shed some light

[CountryClassSF]

This is for the right-wing. Marriage equality is here.

Well, atleast you have excellent taste in Classic TV shows!

I would refer everyone in this thread to this -- I'm surprised a liberal news outlet published it earlier this year. But, please stop assuming that one can't be gay and oppose SSM.  Either MANY people are flat out lying about their sexual orientation to the pollsters, or we exist. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/01/27/meet-the-lgbt-americans-who-oppose-gay-marriage/

20% of LGBT Republicans oppose

[CountryClassSF]

All the streets in San Francisco are adorned with the flag. 

Essentially, You're going to Pride, whether you like it or not.

[CountryClassSF]

So chin up and try to make the best of it.

Oh I am, I'm going to have a nice long weekend in real CA.

Never stay in SF during the parade. It's too loud and downtown is a mess.

[CountryClassSF]

Above post makes no sense. I said that I feel uncomfortable and I feel pride parades are an in your face statement, and get annoyed when the entire city has to come to a standstill to accommodate a sexual parade... No one bashed anyone.

Cocktails and sunset on the beach down here in real California shortly. Much calmer. Much nicer. My not being there doesn't equate to gaybashing.

[CountryClassSF]

Lacking any interest in 'gay culture' I avoid Gay Pride events. I also have no interest in NASCAR racing, so I avoid NASCAR races, too.

That's my point - it's not bashing.  But the problem is, Pride is forced on you.  You get sponsored ads on Facebook with rainbow crap, you hear people in the street, it's not a matter of "just don't look at what annoys you" - this is an in your face statement

[CountryClassSF]

CCSF, have you ever considered getting on the "gay to straight conversion" speaking circuit?  You might find it to be a lucrative venture, and you seem to have the skillset for it.

I don't believe in conversion being a possibility - but if I could, I would