Toaster Pastry Gun Freedom Act proposed in Maryland

[Obamanation]

Yeah, and playing violently should not be allowed. Maybe if we taught children from a young age that guns were bad, people wouldn't go around massacring each other in this country.

This. Anyone who disagrees with this is (or will be) a terrible parent.

[Obamanation]

Yeah, and playing violently should not be allowed. Maybe if we taught children from a young age that guns were bad, people wouldn't go around massacring each other in this country.

In a study of adults who committed violent crimes (including the Virginia Tech killer), it was noted that their childhoods were marked by a lack of play (including violent play). "Play can act as a powerful deterrent, even an antidote to prevent violence. Play is a powerful catalyst for positive socialization", according to psychiatrist Stuart Brown. The Lucy Daniels Center for Early Childhood encourages parents not to suppress aggressive play. "Children turn to play so that they can learn what they need to learn about aggression. We should become concerned about children's relationship to aggression only if they appear to be overly pre-occupied with aggression in their thoughts or actions outside the sphere of play." 60 to 80 percent of boys and 30 percent of girls played with aggressive toys (including toy guns) at home.

TL;DR: studiest have never shown any kind of link between playing with toy weapons in childhood and violence in adulthood, and there may actually be a link between a lack of play and violence.

Spuriously-reasoned study is spuriously reasoned.

[Obamanation]

My father and grandfather brought me to a shooting range at the first time at the age of 9, and I remember it as a marvelous experience bonding with my family and figuring out how the world around me worked. (I wasn't actually allowed to handle a gun until several years later, I don't recall exactly when, but watching other people was still an experience I enjoyed immensely).

The fact that 9 year-olds are allowed at a shooting range, let alone allowed to discharge a firearm is disgusting and embodies everything that is wrong with America's culture of violence and pseudo-machismo.

[Obamanation]

Yeah, and playing violently should not be allowed. Maybe if we taught children from a young age that guns were bad, people wouldn't go around massacring each other in this country.

In a study of adults who committed violent crimes (including the Virginia Tech killer), it was noted that their childhoods were marked by a lack of play (including violent play). "Play can act as a powerful deterrent, even an antidote to prevent violence. Play is a powerful catalyst for positive socialization", according to psychiatrist Stuart Brown. The Lucy Daniels Center for Early Childhood encourages parents not to suppress aggressive play. "Children turn to play so that they can learn what they need to learn about aggression. We should become concerned about children's relationship to aggression only if they appear to be overly pre-occupied with aggression in their thoughts or actions outside the sphere of play." 60 to 80 percent of boys and 30 percent of girls played with aggressive toys (including toy guns) at home.

TL;DR: studiest have never shown any kind of link between playing with toy weapons in childhood and violence in adulthood, and there may actually be a link between a lack of play and violence.

Spuriously-reasoned study is spuriously reasoned.

Surely you wouldn't dispute that people who interact more socially are better at interacting socially (and are therefore less likely to go on these sorts of massacres?)? It seems to me like a study declaring water at room temperature and sea level pressure to be a liquid -- common knowledge which goes without saying.

My father and grandfather brought me to a shooting range at the first time at the age of 9, and I remember it as a marvelous experience bonding with my family and figuring out how the world around me worked. (I wasn't actually allowed to handle a gun until several years later, I don't recall exactly when, but watching other people was still an experience I enjoyed immensely).

The fact that 9 year-olds are allowed at a shooting range, let alone allowed to discharge a firearm is disgusting and embodies everything that is wrong with America's culture of violence and pseudo-machismo.

I personally didn't shoot at the age of 9 except with Nerf guns. But there were really cute pictures on the wall of children much younger than me shooting quite accurately (they're still there).

Just because they are cute doesn't mean the should use a gun. Who cares that they are accurate. A 9 year-old isn't mature enough to wholly comprehend that a gun isn't a toy. A gun is a weapon and a dangerous tool and should be nowhere near a child.

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Oh please...now you're going to argue that immigrants don't absorb elements of native culture in order to assimilate? My dad is an immigrant too, and he's changed profoundly (for the worse, I may add) since he moved to this country.

[Obamanation]

Yeah, and playing violently should not be allowed. Maybe if we taught children from a young age that guns were bad, people wouldn't go around massacring each other in this country.

In a study of adults who committed violent crimes (including the Virginia Tech killer), it was noted that their childhoods were marked by a lack of play (including violent play). "Play can act as a powerful deterrent, even an antidote to prevent violence. Play is a powerful catalyst for positive socialization", according to psychiatrist Stuart Brown. The Lucy Daniels Center for Early Childhood encourages parents not to suppress aggressive play. "Children turn to play so that they can learn what they need to learn about aggression. We should become concerned about children's relationship to aggression only if they appear to be overly pre-occupied with aggression in their thoughts or actions outside the sphere of play." 60 to 80 percent of boys and 30 percent of girls played with aggressive toys (including toy guns) at home.

TL;DR: studiest have never shown any kind of link between playing with toy weapons in childhood and violence in adulthood, and there may actually be a link between a lack of play and violence.

Spuriously-reasoned study is spuriously reasoned.

All the evidence and all the experts are on one side of the issue. Do you have anything to bring up for the other side?

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

Also provide a link.

...Even if playing as a child reduces the risk of being a sociopath, why would you want to encourage violence in your kids by allowing violent play?

[Obamanation]

Yeah, and playing violently should not be allowed. Maybe if we taught children from a young age that guns were bad, people wouldn't go around massacring each other in this country.

In a study of adults who committed violent crimes (including the Virginia Tech killer), it was noted that their childhoods were marked by a lack of play (including violent play). "Play can act as a powerful deterrent, even an antidote to prevent violence. Play is a powerful catalyst for positive socialization", according to psychiatrist Stuart Brown. The Lucy Daniels Center for Early Childhood encourages parents not to suppress aggressive play. "Children turn to play so that they can learn what they need to learn about aggression. We should become concerned about children's relationship to aggression only if they appear to be overly pre-occupied with aggression in their thoughts or actions outside the sphere of play." 60 to 80 percent of boys and 30 percent of girls played with aggressive toys (including toy guns) at home.

TL;DR: studiest have never shown any kind of link between playing with toy weapons in childhood and violence in adulthood, and there may actually be a link between a lack of play and violence.

Spuriously-reasoned study is spuriously reasoned.

All the evidence and all the experts are on one side of the issue. Do you have anything to bring up for the other side?

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

Also provide a link.

...Even if playing as a child reduces the risk of being a sociopath, why would you want to encourage violence in your kids by allowing violent play?

Because allowing violent play leads to less violence, is why. That's the point.

http://www.nifplay.org/whitman.html
http://www.lucydanielscenter.org/page/are-toy-guns-ever-ok
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/features/toy-guns-do-they-lead-real-life-violence

Sorry, but I don't buy those studies.

[Obamanation]

Yeah, and playing violently should not be allowed. Maybe if we taught children from a young age that guns were bad, people wouldn't go around massacring each other in this country.

In a study of adults who committed violent crimes (including the Virginia Tech killer), it was noted that their childhoods were marked by a lack of play (including violent play). "Play can act as a powerful deterrent, even an antidote to prevent violence. Play is a powerful catalyst for positive socialization", according to psychiatrist Stuart Brown. The Lucy Daniels Center for Early Childhood encourages parents not to suppress aggressive play. "Children turn to play so that they can learn what they need to learn about aggression. We should become concerned about children's relationship to aggression only if they appear to be overly pre-occupied with aggression in their thoughts or actions outside the sphere of play." 60 to 80 percent of boys and 30 percent of girls played with aggressive toys (including toy guns) at home.

TL;DR: studiest have never shown any kind of link between playing with toy weapons in childhood and violence in adulthood, and there may actually be a link between a lack of play and violence.

Spuriously-reasoned study is spuriously reasoned.

All the evidence and all the experts are on one side of the issue. Do you have anything to bring up for the other side?

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

Also provide a link.

...Even if playing as a child reduces the risk of being a sociopath, why would you want to encourage violence in your kids by allowing violent play?

Because allowing violent play leads to less violence, is why. That's the point.

http://www.nifplay.org/whitman.html
http://www.lucydanielscenter.org/page/are-toy-guns-ever-ok
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/features/toy-guns-do-they-lead-real-life-violence

Sorry, but I don't buy those studies.

Which, as I think I've noted in another thread, makes you just like the folks who unskewed polls to produce a Romney victory in 2012. You're effectively denying the data that is present to make up your own data to support the point you believe. 'Facts are biased' is your belief, to put it succinctly.

I'm not making up data, I'm just skeptical.

[Obamanation]

The constitution gives me the right to sculpt toaster pastries into gun shaped objects with the first amendment and it gives me the right to bear them with the second. Anyone who doesn't agree is a communist.

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