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« on: May 02, 2022, 10:00:24 PM »

Let me be very clear: Alito's draft is not a serious legal opinion. It is a political manifesto, and the outlining of his personal agenda, disguised as a Constitutional legal opinion.

The corruption truly knows no bounds.
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2022, 05:05:48 PM »



Did not expect Portnoy of all people to say this, but hey.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2022, 12:07:49 AM »


Wow, The Young Turks are dissatisfied with the Democratic Party? This is a game-changer.


They have basically told people to vote democratic in the general elections before but this time Ana is basically saying she has given up on congress and Cenk is asking them to stop donating .

Professional online left-liberals are being remarkably hostile to advice to elect Democratic Congresspeople and state officeholders, given that Democratic Congresspeople and state officeholders are the only people in a position to do anything about this. I've seen people attacking Biden in scathing terms for not somehow stopping it singlehandedly, as if he could just order a drone strike on Alito's house or something. Democratic presidency-onlyism is going to be the death of this country.

Leftists attack Joe Biden not just because he’s President but because he’s so broadly unpopular as President, and because Ruth Bader Ginsburg is no longer alive to be mad at. Also, I’ve seen some people bringing up Biden’s role in getting Thomas confirmed in spite of Anita Hill, but that was literally 30 years ago so whatever.

The more mature, valid criticism is that Democrats as a whole had several decades to prepare for this moment, or at least the plausible possibility, and have (and are continuing to!) treat it purely as a campaign issue (“vote for us or the Republicans will restrict abortion rights!) while simultaneously doing little of substance on the issue, probably because they thought Republicans/conservatives on the courts weren’t entirely serious about overturning Roe. In other words, they projected their own use of abortion as a mobilization issue for many Democratic voters on to the Republicans because “surely the Republicans aren’t crazy enough to do something so extreme—and besides, they need Roe to mobilize their voters, so they won’t actually overturn it…right?).

Democrats—certainly, Democratic elites—got complacent. If anything, the conventional wisdom among Democratic strategists until quite recently has been that the pro-choice position is more  ”polarizing” on average than the pro-life position, even within the Democratic big tent. Consequently, the Dems have often preferred not to talk about the issue whenever possible and just kept their fingers crossed that Roe would never be overturned. Obviously folly from a pro-abortion rights perspective.

And the day after the ruling, Clyburn joined Pelosi in endorsing Henry Cuellar, the only anti-codifying Democrat in the House.

These people don't care about agency. They care about obedience, and they care about their clique.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2022, 12:16:11 AM »
« Edited: May 06, 2022, 01:05:50 AM by MAGA Maggie's Masshole Wall »

Of course, if you stand with the people who threaten them, like Markey did, that's when the establishment tries to stop you. Not when you thwart their policies or sell out the agenda for your donors. That's completely fine. When you merely ideologically align with the

Or, how recently, they decided to blow up prescription drug pricing reform because the alternative was AOC gaining a high-profile committee seat.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2022, 09:26:33 AM »

Where are all those Bernie Bros who couldn't stomach voting for Hillary?

Sexist says what?
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2022, 09:37:35 AM »

Giant middle finger to every Trump supporter. The same to anyone who didn’t vote for Hillary.

You are responsible for this, even if you are pro-choice.

The Supreme Court was one of the best parts of Trump’s legacy

Never*Trump, ladies and gentlemen.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2022, 09:50:55 AM »

So this is it. The final decision of an unchecked, illegitimate Court of poorly-disguised political operatives and the legacy of a toothless "opposition" whose ultimate concern is their own careers. We've come to expect this from the GOP - why shouldn't we expect better from a party that cares more about elevating Neera Tanden than it does protecting abortion?
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2022, 10:24:10 AM »

Biden should have packed the court after McConnell and Trump's shenanigans. What is the point of winning elections and doing nothing when your opponents win elections and do whatever they feel like it. About 50 years of women's progress has been erased with one dubious court decision. The progressives will have to waste energy continuing to fight this issue when we have other key issues to fight. A cynical person might even say this is by design.

Never forget that when the only Democrat in the House to vote against codifying Roe faced a competitive primary, leadership did a full court press to campaign for him. That "Democrat" won by about 300 votes.

This is why I have no trust in leadership. They own this. Pelosi and Clyburn are likely the reason Henry Cuellar won. They've learned nothing from the lessons of 2020, and continue to press for the nominal mirage of power rather than actual power.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2022, 10:41:35 AM »
« Edited: June 24, 2022, 10:47:18 AM by Beta Oz »

Biden should have packed the court after McConnell and Trump's shenanigans. What is the point of winning elections and doing nothing when your opponents win elections and do whatever they feel like it. About 50 years of women's progress has been erased with one dubious court decision. The progressives will have to waste energy continuing to fight this issue when we have other key issues to fight. A cynical person might even say this is by design.

Never forget that when the only Democrat in the House to vote against codifying Roe faced a competitive primary, leadership did a full court press to campaign for him. That "Democrat" won by about 300 votes.

This is why I have no trust in leadership. They own this. Pelosi and Clyburn are likely the reason Henry Cuellar won. They've learned nothing from the lessons of 2020, and continue to press for the nominal mirage of power rather than actual power.

Henry Cuellar, a single House Representative, is not why this happened. They were against purity testing on a single issue to harm our overall election chances in that district, because it's better to have a politician who agrees with you on 90% of things than 0% in any House seat, when the vast majority of your members will stop him from posing any harm to your goals on what you do disagree with. It's about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

All this post shows is why you don't understand how politics works.

Harming chances in a district that checks notes still voted for Biden by about 5% and is just as suburban as it is rural.

All of this shows is that you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know the district, and most of all, you have no idea of the concept of power. The concern trolls act like TX-28 is WV and Cuellar is the only option like Manchin.

If you want to defend this, you don't give a f**k about abortion rights. Sit your ass down and let the people who are interested in change do the talking.
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2022, 10:49:51 AM »



Like clockwork!

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2022, 11:02:06 AM »
« Edited: June 24, 2022, 11:14:31 AM by Beta Oz »



Like clockwork!



A politician fundraising based on the political issue of the day? How scandalous.

Well yes, we've all come to expect it. The real scandal is the e-mail coupled with their inability to take any sort of action. Or them actively talking about the Need to Codify while actively working against the codification effort.

Then again, when you think it's okay to personally attack someone for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes, you probably have a different perspective on things.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2022, 02:13:39 PM »

Alright. Effortpost up, I had a lot of scattered thoughts about this but I figured I'd try to make a coherent defense of my points. One that isn't raging at the neolibs.

I'm more focused on Democrats' role because we expect this from the GOP. From a court that constantly tramples precedent, where one of their justice's spouses openly endorsed a political coup, appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote, and three of its members knowingly and willfully perjured their way to their nomination. The Democrats have blame here as well - their prioritization of nominal power over actual power, the prioritization of their own political careers and fundraising over meaningful change, and civility over policy.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is merely a symptom of the problem - a party that is obsessed with reliving the 1990s. A party that squandered its supermajority to show a country that didn't care how bipartisan it was. Ginsburg stayed on the court because she believed retiring during a Democratic midterm would "politicize the court". A court where open hacks are nominated without scrutiny, blatant perjury is overlooked because it's politically convenient, and precedent is merely a suggestion. Checks and balances have utterly failed.

Pelosi is the one that comes to mind, still talking about how America needs a "strong Republican Party", but even Biden is guilty of this. In reality, the people who caused this have been here since then. The good old days of bipartisanship and kumbaya were never here in the first place. Mitch McConnell has been around since 1985. Clarence Thomas has been serving since 1991. George W. Bush appointed Alito and Roberts.  This isn't Donald Trump's party that overturned Roe or pushed an activist court. This is Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, and Adam Kinzinger's GOP. There's a difference between praising these people and the outright hero worship we see from Democrats today.

The Democratic Party not only believes people like OSR would vote for them, but actively believes its energy is better spent persuading him than motivating its base. As the party has professionalized, it feels like they see more in common with their affluent, educated comrades across the aisle than the rubes they represent. Democratic leadership will gladly accept you as their ally if you say the magic words - "Trump bad" - even if you continue to support his lackeys and ideas. Liz Cheney, #Resistance hero and Good Republican, publicly supported and celebrated Roe being overturned. Mitt Romney confirmed Barrett and would have confirmed Kavanaugh. If you give lip service to the thought of opposition, Democrats laud you as a hero and hold you as proof that there's Good in the Republican Party.

The whole argument about "voting for Democrats" is what I talk about when I say they're more concerned with nominal power than actual power. The Cuellars and Manchins and Schraders and Sinemas of the world need to be stopped, but there are plenty more waiting in the wings. Take the minimum wage discourse, for example. While everyone was outraged about Sinema's thumbs-down dance, Tom Carper and Chris Coons did the exact same coordinated dance. More disgustingly, Hassan and Shaheen voted against raising the minimum wage at the behest of the owner of the largest restaurant chain in the state. This isn't a localized incident. There's a bloc of these people in the House and the Senate, willing to screw us over for a quick campaign donation, often elected because of "electability".

What good is electing a "Democrat" if they just get into office and vote like a Republican?

And that's not even talking about the Andrew Cuomos of the world, who actively campaigned for more Republicans to get elected. Or the heads of various state and local parties that openly endorsed Trump entryists because a progressive would risk defeating their own machines. Hell, that's how Manchin got his start in politics! By losing a primary, endorsing the Republican, and burning down the party to remake in his conservative image.

I don't necessarily think that Democrats are secretly pro-life or whatever. I think they just care about incumbency and civility more. It doesn't matter that Henry Cuellar is in a D+5, Trump-trending district. It doesn't matter that Cisneros was outside the lockstep of the district. It doesn't matter that Henry Cuellar is pro-life and anti-union. Leadership backed Henry Cuellar because he's One of Them. He's on the whip team. He's been in office for 18 years, going on 20. So leadership campaigns for him and gets him elected, despite his lack of support for the Democratic agenda in a district that's less hostile than Sinema's.

And those who support his challenger get blackballed from the caucus, and get passed over for key committee assignments. Even if it means appointing the deciding vote against prescription drug reform. After all, Cuellar's views make for awkward conversation at the caucus's weekly brunch.

The Democratic Party has learned nothing from 2008, let alone 2020. They believe voters value "bipartisanship" and act on a agenda that enriches the ruling class at their expense. You don't see Republicans do this type of masturbatory crap when they talk about tax reform or COVID relief or whatever. They just get it done. Leadership operates as if the Republicans are good-faith actors, and those who pay lip service are lionized as honorary Democrats. Those responsible for stifling the agenda are allowed to thrive in the name of "norms and civility", and those who speak truth to power are silenced at the expense of the agenda.

The more I see the party try the same thing, and the more they attempt to stifle those looking for the structural change they claim to want, the less I trust our politicians to save us. Democrats aren't heroes. RBG and KBJ aren't heroes. The Squad and the Bernie wing aren't heroes. We are the only ones who can save ourselves and fight for our rights. And whether you believe we can change from within, we cannot rely on our politicians or the Democratic Party when they've proven they won't get in the mud.

We need to stop being complacent and expect better from our politicians. We need to find who stands with us ourselves, and not their clique or their people. We need to channel our energy towards those who do, and show those who sell us out that we control their job. Donating to a broken party and voting for its candidates wholesale is not enough. Our emancipation will come from our own fight and our own labor.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2022, 04:23:29 PM »



Lmao beyond parody
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2022, 04:44:20 PM »

My god, the Dems just can't help themselves. They have to add cringe to everything.

This isn't even the worst one.



This might be the worst tweet I've ever seen
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