Elizabeth Warren 2020 campaign megathread

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

The Bernie Bros ^TM will say anything to ruin Warren

Yes, because every single Sanders supporter absolutely despises Warren.

The vast majority of his supporters would be pretty happy with Warren. But keep painting us with the same brush; it worked out well three years ago.

He didn’t say Sanders supporters. He said Bernie Bros and they are absolutely grilling Warren simply for not being their God.

It's still an extremely reductionist term that whitewashes his supporter base and erases Bernie's female supporters (and supporters of color).

Talk about the cultists all you want (I don't like Sarandon either), but the moment people start dismissing our voices that aren't white or male, it starts treading dangerously close to racism.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

The Bernie Bros ^TM will say anything to ruin Warren

Yes, because every single Sanders supporter absolutely despises Warren.

The vast majority of his supporters would be pretty happy with Warren. But keep painting us with the same brush; it worked out well three years ago.

He didn’t say Sanders supporters. He said Bernie Bros and they are absolutely grilling Warren simply for not being their God.

It's still an extremely reductionist term that whitewashes his supporter base and erases Bernie's female supporters (and supporters of color).

Talk about the cultists all you want (I don't like Sarandon either), but the moment people start dismissing our voices that aren't white or male, it starts treading dangerously close to racism.

What? They weren'tt accusing Bernie supporters of trashing Warren. They were accusing a certain subset of Sander supporters of trashing Warren.

I'm not talking about TSA or RFK's assertion (I actually agree with them). talking about why I believe Bernie Bro is a problematic term (it's inherently gendered).

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

At least they endorsed a progressive this time.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

It's why I think Warren's the frontrunner. Not only that, but she has by far the most to gain from her winning. I think she has the most to gain from other candidates dropping out - Biden and Sanders have most of the working-class vote locked up, while candidates like Booker, Beto, Harris, and Buttigieg's supporters are more resemblant of Warren's. If she wins IA or NH, she will absorb some of the true progressives from Bernie's side. 

Finally, it'll be likely Sanders stays in until the end like last time, splitting the working-class vote between them and Biden. Even without people like me, he still has enough of a base where he'll be able to run for as long as he wants.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

I would like to see her not just supporting dems, but progressive dems. Warren is decidedly to the right of Bernie and her record shows that she should not be completely trusted.

Jessica Cisneros and Marie Newman say hello. Also the fact that Sara Gideon is no John Hickenlooper or Emily Cain.

Warren's also good enough to be my 1b, and if the trend of Bernie sinking holds up, I may wind up voting for her. Despite my vocal support, my main concern is stopping Biden (who would be a third term of Mitch McConnell controlling the country).

You just registered and you have 6 straight posts attacking Warren, looks like her surging poll numbers really does have the Bernie Bros freaking out.

Apparently racist and sexist attacks on the other half of the progressive movement are unity and outreach.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Quick to say something about my little pushback against trolling anti-Warren posters, but says nothing at all about their attacks. Don't want to be associated with Bernie Bros, then call out their behavior.

There are ways to call out anti-Warren people without using racist/sexist stereotypes. Check the other part of my post you quoted for an example.

(We also don't need 5 posts talking about how Pocahontas BS is a GOP talking point)

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

I wasn't racist or sexist, and if the Bernie Bros keep coming into a positive thread for the sole purpose of dragging it down I will call it out every time. You get the same energy you give.

Bernie Bro is a racist, sexist stereotype, created in a satirical article to stereotype Bernie supporters as white males. When it exploded in popularity and got scrutiny, he then doubled down on the satire, all while showering his preferred candidate with praise.

Much like Chris Rock's infamous stand-up routine, it turned into a bludgeon for privileged whites to express their racism and sexism. While obviously not as severe as ToS Violation, it erases women and people of color who support Bernie, and paints each group as a monolithic bloc. Not to mention it's absurd to use the term while attacking people like Susan Sarandon and Briahna Joy Gray.

You saw similar, smaller attempts to stereotype with Barack Obama in 2008. You see the same stereotypes here that you do for Bernie - young, white men with a whole bunch of internalized misogyny looking for a liberal Messiah. "Obama boy" and "Bernie Bro" had the same purpose: to portray Hillary Clinton as the only candidate fighting for women. I can't speak to your race or gender, but it's even worse if you're a white man, since it's extremely paternalistic.

"You get the same energy you give" sounds good. There are ways to call out attacks against Warren without being generally vile (notice how I didn't call out Alfred or Mohamed). If you start using terms with racist and sexist connotations, I'll call it out every time. When you say the term "Bernie Bro", what you're really saying to women/POC is "If you don't support my candidate, you're selling out your people."

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

You saw similar, smaller attempts to stereotype with Barack Obama in 2008. You see the same stereotypes here that you do for Bernie - young, white men with a whole bunch of internalized misogyny looking for a liberal Messiah. "Obama boy" and "Bernie Bro" had the same purpose: to portray Hillary Clinton as the only candidate fighting for women. I can't speak to your race or gender, but it's even worse if you're a white man, since it's extremely paternalistic.

As an Obama '08 hyperpartisan who was everywhere on the internet that year, I literally never heard of "Obama Boys".

The entire concept of this slur campaign seems to be gaslighting from Bernie Bros desperate to whatabout and deflect attention from their own atrocious behavior.

Yes, that's why I said "smaller" in my post. The "Obama boy" stereotype was created around the time Obama became the presumptive nominee, as opposed to Bernie Bro being created long after the NH primary. There was no time for the label to stick - Obama had already won.

As a side note, could you not try to start that flame battle about "Bernie Bros" in this thread as well?  You already did it in the Sanders one and the mods told you to stop.  We get that this is your opinion.  Plenty of people disagree or (like me) think you're just being pedantic as a distraction.  Drop it.

Nah, the mods didn't tell me to stop. That was you and your defamatory BS.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

"You get the same energy you give" sounds good. There are ways to call out attacks against Warren without being generally vile (notice how I didn't call out Alfred or Mohamed). If you start using terms with racist and sexist connotations, I'll call it out every time. When you say the term "Bernie Bro", what you're really saying to women/POC is "If you don't support my candidate, you're selling out your people."

 Complete nonsense. Stop using women/POC as human shields for the Bernie Bros who act like jerks online. Call out the Bernie Bros before we have to and if you won't, don't cry about made up racism and sexism, when you're letting a group of trolls attack all our Democratic women candidates with overtly sexist attacks.

 This was a very good thread about Elizabeth Warren's policies and campaigning, as soon as the Bernie people get involved it becomes about nonsense and turns divisive. This is the very reason why Bernie Sanders and his supporters could never build a political revolution.

Like I said, we don't need a fifth post saying "POCAHONTAS BAD" or "GOP TALKING POINTS STUPID". Me posting it would add nothing to the discussion and change no minds.

If you decided to present your point in a way that didn't erase people, we would have been fine. Even if you stereotyped me as part of that group, I would have smiled, nodded, and moved on my merry way. Instead, you decided to inject bigotry into the conversation, continued to use said bigoted stereotypes after being called out on your BS, continued to paternalize the groups you marginalized, and deflected from your issues. Now, the thread's gone to ****.

I'll call out racism any time I see it on here, whether it be from the right or the center. You want me to be blunt? Keep your bigotry to your goddamn self if you don't want to be called a bigot.

This is the last thing I will say on the subject.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Like I said, we don't need a fifth posts saying "POCAHONTAS BAD" or "GOP TALKING POINTS STUPID". Me posting it would add nothing to the discussion and change no minds.


I'll call out racism any time I see it on here, whether it be from the right or the center. You want me to be blunt? Keep your bigotry to your goddamn self if you don't want to be called a bigot.

 You are a liar. You don't call out obvious racism as you yourself stated because it's just too much for you, so you say nothing. But let somebody use the term Bernie Bro and you infer all kinds of gibberish about racism and sexism when nobody said anything racist or sexist. This is completely pathetic, especially when the attacks by the Bernie Bros always seem to be loaded with extra vitriol against our Democratic women candidates. Your line of thinking seems very dubious to me.

And you're a charlatan exploiting marginalized people for your own personal gain. Want to be an ally? Don't ostracize and paternalize women and POC who disagree with you.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1177272549496913926

I welcome their hatred.

Not to be a nag, but I think the topic is "Elizabeth Warren 2020 campaign."

On the other hand, **** Tulsi Gabbard.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

So I'm curious, have there been any actual substantive criticisms of Warren from the left? Or has it just been "she's a neoliberal corporate shill bcuz i sed so"

I have to respectfully disagree with her on her approach to the Democratic establishment. For lack of a better word, I view them as unwilling to even consider making her agenda law in Congress, not to mention their unwarranted holier-than-thou attitude and general incompetence.

I left the party in 2014 after they attached Dodd-Frank repeal to the cromnibus bill. I rejoined some time in 2016, thinking Bernie was the right candidate. I thought there was some hope that the party would incorporate people like me. Instead, they decided to elect a serial appeaser who worked to dismantle Obama's signature foreign policy achievement as their leader in the Senate, doubled down on Dodd-Frank repeals, purged the left from DNC leadership, and continued to attack the left long after primary season ended. For lack of a better word, the proxy battle between The Squad and the establishment, where Pelosi's successor openly attacked AOC and broke her ordered truce, is the point of no return. My state party is a different story, but I feel no attachment to the national party.

There's also the fact that the Democratic establishment is so hyperfocused on resumes, electability, and "21st-century campaigning" that they've forgotten how to campaign - let alone wield their power. Take the Colorado Senate race for example - instead of letting the field play out and supporting the best candidate, they decided to crown someone from the right wing of the party in a D-trending state as their nominee because of his resume as Governor. If the establishment persuaded Ducey to appoint Cindy McCain instead of McSally, the uproar would be huge. Instead, it's likely we're going to give another D-trending seat to another moderate based on his "electability" - because that worked so well for so many other candidates.

I would hope I'm wrong, but I don't trust the Democratic establishment to bring in a leftist agenda like Warren's or Sanders's. I don't trust the Democrats' campaign arms to support Medicare for All or a Green New Deal, because they're so focused on how to remain "electable" instead of implementing their agenda. I don't view these people as a group to work with, not only because they're to Warren's right, but because of their egregious incompetence.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

I think there is such a generational shift happening that it doesn't matter what corporate Democrats want, they have 4-10 years left tops. There isn't going to be less AOC's. The young generation that travels all around the world and can see things with their own eyes isn't going to be afraid of socialized medicine because some news chanel or insurance lobbyman has scary talking points.

 We will keep seeing the shift for the better I believe.

We can only hope.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1179016940381179910?s=19

R I C H T E A R S

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1179833719902760960

tuba noises

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

The original source I've heard this from is some idiot Harris supporter whose columns push an agenda against Warren and Bernie. And now, the right has co-opted it, just as he co-opted Pocahontasposting.

Let it be known that centrists hate leftists more than fascists.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

https://twitter.com/DanteAtkins/status/1181413116032237569

Right-wingers BTFO

Centrists BTFO

Cultists BTFO

Onward and upward we go.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

2020 could be the 1st Fraud vs Fraud election. Everyone knows Warren is a stone cold liar & fraud. She lied about her Native American heritage for years. She lied about how she got fired.

She earlier lied about how her parents fled away to get married. She is pretending to be this non-corrupt person when she has agreed to pake SuperPAC money for the General Election.

2020 could be an election of the most corrupt & pathological liar President vs a Dem Nominee who is also a liar.

Bernie Sanders is supported by a multi-million-dollar Super PAC run by a Jill Stein supporter.  His campaign illegally coordinates with them for staffing and events.  This was listed on his 600 pages of FEC violations in 2016, by far the highest number of FEC violations in history.  The "campaign finance reform candidate", as he'd now like to be known, already has hundreds of pages of FEC violations this year, on pace to set a new record.

You wanna talk about fraud, let's start there.

And I'm the one you say resorts to whataboutery.

Come on. There are better ways to call out bad posts.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

2020 could be the 1st Fraud vs Fraud election. Everyone knows Warren is a stone cold liar & fraud. She lied about her Native American heritage for years. She lied about how she got fired.

She earlier lied about how her parents fled away to get married. She is pretending to be this non-corrupt person when she has agreed to pake SuperPAC money for the General Election.

2020 could be an election of the most corrupt & pathological liar President vs a Dem Nominee who is also a liar.

Bernie Sanders is supported by a multi-million-dollar Super PAC run by a Jill Stein supporter.  His campaign illegally coordinates with them for staffing and events.  This was listed on his 600 pages of FEC violations in 2016, by far the highest number of FEC violations in history.  The "campaign finance reform candidate", as he'd now like to be known, already has hundreds of pages of FEC violations this year, on pace to set a new record.

You wanna talk about fraud, let's start there.

And I'm the one you say resorts to whataboutery.

Come on. There are better ways to call out bad posts.

I mean, I have very little interest in defending Elizabeth Warren, lol.  I've been watching the Sanders crowd dishonestly attack my candidates for four years.  Now that it's Warren's turn in the barrel y'all can enjoy this lovely experience on your own.

I just think it's hilarious for Shadows to attack Warren for being a fraud on campaign finance reform when his candidate is far and away the #1 fraud on campaign finance reform.  And that includes Trump.

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That's so absurd I'm not even going to give this the dignity of a response.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

2020 could be the 1st Fraud vs Fraud election. Everyone knows Warren is a stone cold liar & fraud. She lied about her Native American heritage for years. She lied about how she got fired.

She earlier lied about how her parents fled away to get married. She is pretending to be this non-corrupt person when she has agreed to pake SuperPAC money for the General Election.

2020 could be an election of the most corrupt & pathological liar President vs a Dem Nominee who is also a liar.

Bernie Sanders is supported by a multi-million-dollar Super PAC run by a Jill Stein supporter.  His campaign illegally coordinates with them for staffing and events.  This was listed on his 600 pages of FEC violations in 2016, by far the highest number of FEC violations in history.  The "campaign finance reform candidate", as he'd now like to be known, already has hundreds of pages of FEC violations this year, on pace to set a new record.

You wanna talk about fraud, let's start there.

I can break both of these down at a later moment but...

I’m going to go out of a limb and say both of the quoted posts are dead wrong.

You know that one scene from Dumb and Dumber 2? The one scene from a really bad movie that everyone remembers?

I feel like that's Atlas's collective reaction when they log on in the morning and see what just transpired.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Was this failed "scandal" started by the right-wing, Bernie Bros, or the #KHive?

Originated by the right wing, but reached prominence because of the KHive. It's strange how some of the cultists have ran with it

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Was this failed "scandal" started by the right-wing, Bernie Bros, or the #KHive?

Originated by the right wing, but reached prominence because of the KHive. It's strange how some of the cultists have ran with it

Looks like the Bernie Bros have taken up the fake scandal cause as well.

I don't like to use the term (I believe it ostracizes women and POC that don't agree with the establishment), but yes. Very strange to see the Bernie cultists embracing right-wing smears (especially from someone who's targeted them).

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Not a surprise. Kelly and Warren are very ideologically similar.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1181695574803931136

One queen supports another.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Good news. Let the surrogate PACs take the money.