America is becoming MORE homophobic (new polls)

[Famous Mortimer]

This is basically entirely a result of the new prominence of the transgender movement.

A lot of people came around to acceptance of gays because they were convinced by arguments that "gays just want the same rights as you, there's no slippery slope"

but now we see that it's a mainstream liberal position that children should be given sex change hormones and puberty blockers.

There obviously was a slippery slope and people feel like they were tricked into supporting gays under false pretenses.

[Famous Mortimer]

True, I have no evidence. Or if I do, it's only anecdotal.

I know a lot of my friends, apolitical or even left-wing people, have shifted from being full on pro-gay liberation back to a sort of moderate liberal from the 90s position, like "I'm glad they have equal rights but it's kind of creepy that my facebook feed is full of transgender children, do they have to push this stuff so actively?"  Of course, this is the minority position I've encountered but it's a significant and growing one. I suspect even more people would back it in an anonymous survey. No proof, just a guess.

[Famous Mortimer]

but now we see that it's a mainstream liberal position that children should be given sex change hormones and puberty blockers.

You don't seem to know very much about mainstream liberalism. I live in one of the most liberal states in the country and I've never heard anyone ever argue, in real life or online, in favor of forcing children to have sex changes.

Honest question: are you actually a Democrat, and if so, why? I've seen your posts about immigration, race, and now trans people; your views seem to be much more aligned with Trumpism and the GOP...

Where does he say anything about forcing? Activist Democrats frequently argue that these options should be available to children upon request. Skepticism is intolerance.

He said:

but now we see that it's a mainstream liberal position that children should be given sex change hormones and puberty blockers.

"Children should be given sex change hormones" sounds more like "children should be administered sex change hormones" than "children should be given access to sex change hormones upon request," at least to me.

I don't know why liberals on this board engage in bad faith interpretations so often. It doesn't make your argument look stronger, it make you look stupid.

[Famous Mortimer]

People came around on gay marriage because it was an abstract issue that only affected other people. Many of those who support gay marriage would go apesh**t if their kid came out. It just goes to show you that “tolerance” means you’re okay with gays, blacks, Muslims, etc. as long as they don’t move next door.

This is true. Exposure to other types of people tends to make people less tolerant. You're going against liberal orthodoxy by admitting this.

[Famous Mortimer]

I don't know why liberals on this board engage in bad faith interpretations so often. It doesn't make your argument look stronger, it make you look stupid.

Perhaps because your statement left room for interpretation, and in making that interpretation I applied Occam's Razor?

People came around on gay marriage because it was an abstract issue that only affected other people. Many of those who support gay marriage would go apesh**t if their kid came out. It just goes to show you that “tolerance” means you’re okay with gays, blacks, Muslims, etc. as long as they don’t move next door.

This is true. Exposure to other types of people tends to make people less tolerant. You're going against liberal orthodoxy by admitting this.

You're also going against science.

but now we see that it's a mainstream liberal position that children should be given sex change hormones and puberty blockers.

There obviously was a slippery slope and people feel like they were tricked into supporting gays under false pretenses.

I don't know why liberals on this board engage in bad faith interpretations so often. It doesn't make your argument look stronger, it make you look stupid.

This is true. Exposure to other types of people tends to make people less tolerant. You're going against liberal orthodoxy by admitting this.

Why does an ostensible Democrat from New York(!) dislike liberals so much? Honest question, one which I asked before and which you ignored.

I don't fit in either party. I am a registered Democrat right now. I don't see any reason to rush to change. My party affiliation is unimportant to my arguments. That people keep making points about it seems like a distraction to avoid addressing my points.

[Famous Mortimer]

"These drugs we just started using are safe. Please don't ask how we know they are safe. We just know, it's bigotry to ask. Well yes, they cause you to have a micropenis and that can never be undone but they're still safe because they don't kill you that we know of, except for the fact that people claiming to be transgender actually become more likely to kill themselves the more they medically transition but that doesn't count. The drugs themselves don't kill you. Probably."