Updated: ~470,000 Puerto Ricans to Relocate over 2 Years (Swing State Alert)

[Famous Mortimer]

Yet people claim we can have open borders with Latin America and not be overwhelmed.

Puerto Rico is a case study that proves people from the third world will never stop moving here until this country is as poor as the ones they are coming from.

You do realize that Puerto Rico is part of the U.S., right?

Of course I realize that. Where did I say otherwise? This was a stupid and pointless comment for you to make.

[Famous Mortimer]

Yet people claim we can have open borders with Latin America and not be overwhelmed.

Puerto Rico is a case study that proves people from the third world will never stop moving here until this country is as poor as the ones they are coming from.

Racist? Check.
Xenophobic (somehow against people within your own country)? Check.
White Supremacist? Check.
Don't have a damn clue about Puerto Rico or its people? Check.
Completely ignorant of history and the consequences of colonialism, imperialism, and European exploitation? Check.

Purely name calling and no actual arguments? Check.

[Famous Mortimer]

Yet people claim we can have open borders with Latin America and not be overwhelmed.

Puerto Rico is a case study that proves people from the third world will never stop moving here until this country is as poor as the ones they are coming from.

You do realize that Puerto Rico is part of the U.S., right?

Of course I realize that. Where did I say otherwise? This was a stupid and pointless comment for you to make.

Then why did you call it a "third world country?"

In addition, in relation to your earlier comment, the US would not be "overwhelmed" by immigrants from Latin American countries or anywhere else. Simply put, we need them to come here. We're facing a care crisis very shortly as Boomers age out of the workforce and into nursing homes and hospitals, where we already have a nursing shortage. Because our ridiculous culture only appreciates jobs that one has to go to college for, nursing is not something many folks go into, especially not the grunt-work level of CNA. Recent immigrants are much more likely to be willing to do those grunt-work jobs, for which I am ever-thankful.

Add in the fact that the birth rate here in the continental US is very low... well. We need people to keep our economy working, and thus immigration is absolutely necessary. As the recent immigrants become not-so-recent immigrants over a few generations, their birth rate drops to match the norm, and thus more immigrants are again always needed.

There's a huge difference between having a much more open and accessible immigration policy and completely "open" borders. We're still getting plenty of people illegally, so why not just make it a bit more straightforward for them to come legally instead?

Anyway.

I feel terrible for the Puerto Ricans having to leave behind what they've known, but I hope that by coming up to the continental US, they are able to get access to the services and lifestyles they deserve. It's ridiculous how the federal government has treated Puerto Rico, and I don't see that changing any time soon. It's awful.

If a majority of people in the United States were of Mexican or Central American extraction, do you not think that society in the United States would come to resemble societies from Mexico and Central America more than it resembles US society now? That's a problem because Mexican and Central American societies are much much poorer than US society now. If you think that a majority Mexican and Central American society would be richer if it existed in the US, why haven't Mexican and Central American societies in Mexico and Central America become as rich as the US? Why would they suddenly become rich if they cross the border?

[Famous Mortimer]

Mortimer, Latin American countries are poor because of their institutions, not because of the "extraction" of their people. These institutions were set in place at the countries' founding and have shaped their development ever since. Just look at the difference between North Korea and South Korea to see how, even with the same "extraction", different institutions make the difference between rich and poor.

Latin America has the institutions they have at least partially because of the people they have. Institutions don't spring from the ground. They are made by people.

[Famous Mortimer]

Yet people claim we can have open borders with Latin America and not be overwhelmed.

Puerto Rico is a case study that proves people from the third world will never stop moving here until this country is as poor as the ones they are coming from.

Swallow a bullet, Christ.

He just described economic migration, albeit in a rather crude way that could be perceived as being racially-charged.

Being against economic migration makes you worthy of execution in the eyes of the left. I'm not being hyperbolic. That is seriously what most leftist under 30 think. I would find it kind of scary but I'm pretty desensitized to it.

[Famous Mortimer]

Yet people claim we can have open borders with Latin America and not be overwhelmed.

Puerto Rico is a case study that proves people from the third world will never stop moving here until this country is as poor as the ones they are coming from.

Swallow a bullet, Christ.

He just described economic migration, albeit in a rather crude way that could be perceived as being racially-charged.

Being against economic migration makes you worthy of execution in the eyes of the left. I'm not being hyperbolic. That is seriously what most leftist under 30 think. I would find it kind of scary but I'm pretty desensitized to it.

You literally just argued that people of Central American and Latin American descent are inherently predisposed to create third world economies. Spare us the persecution complex sob story.

Different people produce different cultures. Why wouldn't they produce different economies?

[Famous Mortimer]

Yet people claim we can have open borders with Latin America and not be overwhelmed.

Puerto Rico is a case study that proves people from the third world will never stop moving here until this country is as poor as the ones they are coming from.

Swallow a bullet, Christ.

He just described economic migration, albeit in a rather crude way that could be perceived as being racially-charged.

Being against economic migration makes you worthy of execution in the eyes of the left. I'm not being hyperbolic. That is seriously what most leftist under 30 think. I would find it kind of scary but I'm pretty desensitized to it.

You literally just argued that people of Central American and Latin American descent are inherently predisposed to create third world economies. Spare us the persecution complex sob story.

Different people produce different cultures. Why wouldn't they produce different economies?

What does "different people" mean?

You and I are different people. The people in Brazil are different people from the people in Yemen. Even if a Brazilian lived in Yemen, even if a person of Brazilian descent was born in Yemen, they would likely behave differently than Yemeni people born in Yemen, assuming they were raised by Brazilian people in a community that preserved Brazilian culture.

[Famous Mortimer]

Brownsville TX is a mostly Mexican American city in the United States. The average income there is about half what it is in the rest of the United States. I'm sure this is because the 7% White minority in the city is racist though.

[Famous Mortimer]

Brownsville TX is a mostly Mexican American city in the United States. The average income there is about half what it is in the rest of the United States. I'm sure this is because the 7% White minority in the city is racist though.

Answer my questions and stop cherry picking data.

Good luck getting a substantive response from him. He cites Brownsville, TX, yet conveniently ignores El Paso, TX, which is consistently ranked among the safest major cities in America and was rated among the best places to live in 2017. But, according to Famous Mortimer, that's impossible since the city is 80% Hispanic (overwhelmingly Mexican). Maybe he'd also like to explain how cities like Los Angeles, which is about 50% Hispanic, and San Antonio, which is 64% Hispanic, are doing so well.

I thought you blocked me so you were going to finally stop replying. I should be so lucky.

Anyway, this reply is so transparently dishonest. I was talking about the economy of Brownsville and then you come back at me with "but El Paso is safe!" Okay, El Paso is safe. It's still only slightly less poor than Brownsville and much poorer than the rest of America.

[Famous Mortimer]

Brownsville TX is a mostly Mexican American city in the United States. The average income there is about half what it is in the rest of the United States. I'm sure this is because the 7% White minority in the city is racist though.

Answer my questions and stop cherry picking data.

I have no idea why Latin Americans create communities that are almost uniformly poorer than communities in the United States, even when they are completely in control of those communities and can't really claim anyone is oppressing them.

Regardless of the reason, that's objectively the way it is.

I don't think it's genetic. I think if you took a bunch of non-white Hispanic babies and had them raised by white Americans, they would probably end up having outcomes similar to white Americans. That idea seems racist to me though so I wouldn't advocate it.

It probably does have to do with Latin American culture though. As others in this thread have pointed out, culture is not genetic.

[Famous Mortimer]

Your question was stupid. It was "why are different people different?" I don't know. I have no idea why people in Peru and people in Thailand produce different cultures. They do though and those cultures are resilient and maintain themselves even when their members move to other countries, especially when whole communities based around those cultures are transported to another country, as people on the left advocate doing with Latin American culture.

[Famous Mortimer]

Your question: what are "different people"? What makes them "different"?

My "unfair" paraphrase: what makes different people different

[Famous Mortimer]

Your question: what are "different people"? What makes them "different"?

My "unfair" paraphrase: what makes different people different

It is a basic high school-level expectation for direct quotes to go in quotation marks and paraphrases to be attributed to the source, but not placed in quotation marks.

Do you also get this butthurt when people use "literally" ironically?

Anyway, I answered your (very very stupid) question already. You are the one who is trying to change the subject to your own pedantry.

[Famous Mortimer]

Puerto Rico is not oppressed.

That is evident because less than 10% of the population supports independence.

Puerto Rico wants to remain part of the United States because their relationship with the United States is beneficial to them.

That situation cannot be described as "oppression".

[Famous Mortimer]

Puerto Rico pays no federal income tax and receives 21 Billion a year in federal tax dollars.

It's basically the Congo Free State.

[Famous Mortimer]

Puerto Rico pays no federal income tax and receives 21 Billion a year in federal tax dollars.

It's basically the Congo Free State

I’d like to believe this is trolling, but I know better.

Cut your losses, pal.

No, it's sarcasm. Did you really not recognize that?

[Famous Mortimer]

Puerto Rico pays no federal income tax and receives 21 Billion a year in federal tax dollars.

It's basically the Congo Free State

I’d like to believe this is trolling, but I know better.

Cut your losses, pal.

No, it's sarcasm. Did you really not recognize that?

Sure, after you had a look at wikipedia

What?

[Famous Mortimer]

ITT WillipsBrighton embraces #MAGAism to the fullest.

The man openly supports eugenics and is easily the most racist person who posts here.

Yeah. He's pretty much said that he opposes immigration because it makes him and his crappy life feel worse. Total racist POS

I obviously never said anything close to this but in an abstract sense, it's true. I oppose immigration because it hurts wages and makes the establishment of a strong welfare state harder, thus making my life materially worse. Most people take the political positions they take because they are trying to keep their lives from becoming materially worse. Immigrants themselves are pro-immigration for the same reason I am anti-immigration, they want better wages and welfare benefits for themselves. I don't begrudge them for wanting this. At the same time, I don't think the United States should be required to give them what they want just because they demand it and I don't think the United States even could provide those things if they try to provide them to too many people.

[Famous Mortimer]

Mortimer completely misunderstands how culture works and additionally conflates culture and institutions.

Are you seriously saying that there is absolutely no link between culture and institutions?