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WillipsBrighton
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« on: October 04, 2017, 08:23:45 PM »

What exactly is gender identity? It's the preference to present as masculine or feminine, isn't it? What's masculine and feminine are totally socially constructed. Is this study saying that transgender people who have beards but wear dresses have a biological need to wear a dress? That makes no sense.
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 09:08:46 PM »

It just doesn't make sense how a culturally constructed aesthetic can be genetically inborn.
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2017, 03:39:59 PM »

Young nerds who spend all day every day getting mad about what people call themselves on Tumblr are my favorite political commentators. We def need more on this forum and in our lives in general.

You dismiss dumb kids on Tumblr because you realize how stupid and harmful to your cause they look, but you can't actually explain in your own terms why they are wrong. Transracialism follows logically from transgenderism. The only reason one is accepted and the other isn't is because the media has gotten behind one and not the other. There's no scientific or logical reason to say one is valid and not the other aside from concerns about optics.
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2017, 04:21:02 PM »

Since it's obviously connected to the subject:

I've had a debate with a friend, who's a Lesbian and a radical feminist. She doesn't believe in gender identity, and sees it as a social construct that doesn't change your sex, so she claims that while transsexual people should be able to do and behave however they want, it doesn't make them any less man/woman. According to her radical feminism, everyone should be able to behave however they want, regardless of their biological sex, but a man and a woman are who they are born. She also claims that transsexual women don't experience the same oppression, related to pregnancy, for example, as cis women.
I showed her the research, but she says that it's only a proof that gender dysphoria exists, not that it changes whether one is a man or a woman. I obviously disagree, and see her opinion as a result of the radical feminism and frustration about silly anti-lesbian rhetoric of some SJWs, like the 'cotton ceiling'. But in any case- what are your thoughts about that?

There's also the fact that this whole debate is basically a semantic issue. Pro-trans people think the terms "man" and "woman" refer to gender identity. Anti-trans people think they refer to biological sex. Since the terms "man" and "woman" existed for centuries before the theory of gender was ever solidified and no one before the 70s would have ever been able to explain modern theories of gender, it's pretty obvious who is literally right.
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 12:54:21 PM »

Yes, the English language is odd and changes all the time. Both "man" and "girl" had stages, for instance, where they could be used in a gender neutral fashion.

The left is not honest about the nature of the debate. They don't say that they want to change the language. They assert that the language has already been changed and anyone who doesn't agree is stupid/evil/a legitimate target for violence. Same as they did with "racism".
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 04:11:14 AM »

Yes, the English language is odd and changes all the time. Both "man" and "girl" had stages, for instance, where they could be used in a gender neutral fashion.

The left is not honest about the nature of the debate. They don't say that they want to change the language. They assert that the language has already been changed and anyone who doesn't agree is stupid/evil/a legitimate target for violence. Same as they did with "racism".

Because "heil hitler" was totally acceptable 15 years ago.

I meant changing the definition from "hating a race" to "White people hating a race". Although, the conception of what constitutes hate has also been greatly expanded in the minds of the left. You know very well that many many things short of explicit Nazism are considered racist. You're responding to be a point about the left being disingenuous by being disingenuous yourself.
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