Is a desire to reduce immigration racist? Hillary voters think so.

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The birth rate is 1.84 in the US; to sustain population (and our social safety net), it needs to be at 2.1.

This assumes every person is paying the same amount of taxes and using the same amount of benefits which is a monumentally stupid assumption to make.

Immigrants and their children are much more likely to use more benefits and not pay any income tax.

Immigration, in the form we actually get it, mostly from the third world, does not support our safety net, it strains it even more.

[Famous Mortimer]

The birth rate is 1.84 in the US; to sustain population (and our social safety net), it needs to be at 2.1.

This assumes every person is paying the same amount of taxes and using the same amount of benefits which is a monumentally stupid assumption to make.

Immigrants and their children are much more likely to use more benefits and not pay any income tax.

Immigration, in the form we actually get it, mostly from the third world, does not support our safety net, it strains it even more.

I'm not talking about TANF, EBT or even Medicaid - I honestly could care less about that. The bulk of what truly matters long-term is FICA receipts. Everything else can be cut or reformed with minimal economic disruption compared to that. A worker is a worker from the perspective of those programs remaining sustainable over the long-term - considering we're at 2.9:1 right now in terms of workers to beneficiaries, and we need to be above 3 in terms of average income - whether they're earning more or less than the average American; it's still a contribution toward the viability of the programs at a time when they are not. Those taxes are collected solely for the purpose of funding those programs and the vast majority of immigrants are a) paying into them and b) not yet eligible to receive anything from them.

It's about the long-term. I guess it's just convenient to ignore the fact that second-generation Americans have a higher college graduation rate than the population as a whole; do you think the vast majority of them are going to remain on welfare indefinitely? FICA is in essence a Ponzi scheme, and in knowing that the descendants of immigrants have no trouble integrating economically, it's definitely worth spending $100 billion per year or whatever of discretionary spending right now in exchange for hundreds of billions per year in FICA contributions in the future.

The biggest looming threat to the social safety net isn't immigrants: it's the old white f[inks]s who didn't have enough children to sustain their draining dry of the system on their way out.

"Yeah, immigrants drain the welfare system but we can just get rid of all welfare except Social Security"

wtf i love immigration now

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If America was 100% Latino tomorrow, not a da*n thing would change about the foundations of our nation or how we do things. These Latinos would still pledge the same fealty to our Constitution, split into different political parties, both liberal and conservative, but they would still be fundamentally similar to their white majority forebears. How do I know this? It's been done over and over again in American history. Latinos, as we speak, are doing this very thing. Our streets would be just as safe tomorrow if this transition happened, our GDP would be just as strong, and our nation just as great. (Also we just went through a black President who was, in most ways, indistinguishable from the 42 men who preceded him.)  

Do you actually believe this? You think if the United States and Mexico swapped populations, the social problems in each country wouldn't swap? The US would remain just as economically strong and Mexico would still remain a third world nation? Do you believe the physical land in the United States is magic that makes the people who live here relatively peaceful and prosperous? The people themselves have nothing to do with the society they live in? The society exist independently of them and stays the same forever? We could make the US 100% Somali and everything would still be the same, we wouldn't resemble Somalia politically and economically?

Like, you really believe that?

[Famous Mortimer]

If America was 100% Latino tomorrow, not a da*n thing would change about the foundations of our nation or how we do things. These Latinos would still pledge the same fealty to our Constitution, split into different political parties, both liberal and conservative, but they would still be fundamentally similar to their white majority forebears. How do I know this? It's been done over and over again in American history. Latinos, as we speak, are doing this very thing. Our streets would be just as safe tomorrow if this transition happened, our GDP would be just as strong, and our nation just as great. (Also we just went through a black President who was, in most ways, indistinguishable from the 42 men who preceded him.) 

Do you actually believe this? You think if the United States and Mexico swapped populations, the social problems in each country wouldn't swap? The US would remain just as economically strong and Mexico would still remain a third world nation? Do you believe the physical land in the United States is magic that makes the people who live here relatively peaceful and prosperous? The people themselves have nothing to do with the society they live in? The society exist independently of them and stays the same forever? We could make the US 100% Somali and everything would still be the same, we wouldn't resemble Somalia politically and economically?

Like, you really believe that?

While the "tomorrow" was a little tongue in cheek, the fact is that the process of immigration and integration (especially over several generations) creates a difference between a Mexican in Mexico and a Mexican-American. If you read the rest of my posts you would know I said nothing about the physical land. The rest of your posts is pablum which indicates you did not read my posts about immigration and how it works/should work.

Don't get worked up over the fact I said "tomorrow." I was making a point, which I fleshed out. My point was: a 16 year old American Latino is not his grandfather from Mexico, and you know that. Don't pretend they bring their Old World problems and that nothing changes when they immigrate.

That may be true historically, but you shouldn't assume that it will always be the case. Also, the Irish, Italians, etc. had more in common with America's WASP founding stock than, say, people from the Islamic world - and that's not just due to skin color.

The thing is, we continually forget that people are not tied to their land. People change, especially as they take root in new countries that welcome them and assimilate them. That's why our immigration populations usually are indistinguishable after two or three generations. Your average Muslim born in America 16 year old isn't his grandfather in Saudi Arabia.

These immigration populations come here because the promise of America extends economic and social and cultural opportunity they never would have have in their homeland. In 50 years, Latinos will be indistinguishable from everyone else and will actually be considered fairly white by some. And we'll freak out about some Somali mass immigration, who in 100 years after that will be just as American. 

Why would foreigners assimilate to be like native born Whites if native born Whites are a minority? People don't assimilate to be like minorities.