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Question: What's the best thing that Israel has done for America?
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Attacking the USS Liberty, killing 34 Americans
 
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Other
 
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Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
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« on: May 20, 2015, 07:37:49 PM »


Shall we go back to the Happy Merchant meme, or has it been deleted?

This is dumb as hell. Snowstalker is not anti-Semitic. If he was cheering on US drone bombing in Pakistan but condemning Israel in the occupied territories, then you would have a case. As it stands, there's no evidence that he (or the anti-Israel left in general) hold Israel to a different standard than they hold any other Western power. You could argue that the left are self hating Westerners but to say that they are anti-Semitic is, again, idiotic. 
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2015, 02:15:04 AM »


Shall we go back to the Happy Merchant meme, or has it been deleted?

This is dumb as hell. Snowstalker is not anti-Semitic.

The opinions he has might as well be, even if he doesn't realize it himself. Someone who says blacks hinder America, while being fine in other countries, is still a racist.

If he was cheering on US drone bombing in Pakistan but condemning Israel in the occupied territories, then you would have a case. As it stands, there's no evidence that he (or the anti-Israel left in general) hold Israel to a different standard than they hold any other Western power. You could argue that the left are self hating Westerners but to say that they are anti-Semitic is, again, idiotic. 

No, Israel is definitely held to another standard. No one cares about the Moroccan occupation of the western Sahara; the Turkish annexation of northern Cyprus; or the Bhutanese expulsion of Nepalis, even though these have all contravened international law much more, and much more flagrantly, than Israel has. You could of course point out that Israel is a much closer American ally than any of these countries, which is true, but then you'd have to note that Israel's singling out dates back to before it was such a close American ally, and is sustained mostly by anti-Semitism; and the left is, while maybe not being overtly anti-Semitic, at least abetting anti-Semitism when it joins in.

The reason people don't care Northern Cyprus or Western Sahara is because hardly anyone dies as a result of those conflicts. The Cyprus conflict in particular has seen like 2 deaths in the last two decades, from crazing people running at guards.

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Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2015, 03:58:08 PM »

While I don't mind people criticizing Israel's actions, I don't think we should be deciding foreign policy based on "what can this country do for us?" at least not entirely. It's pretty clear brutal dictatorships in Central America could do a lot for us in terms of business, that doesn't mean we were right to support them over democratically elected governments.
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