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Famous Mortimer
WillipsBrighton
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« on: June 05, 2014, 07:08:36 AM »

At this point, the Israeli response to everything is settlement expansion.
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2014, 11:34:58 AM »

I think even the Zionists realize that, but like the Palestinians, they too have essentially given up on the idea that a stable two-state solution is possible.  
I think most people realize that the only stable solution is a one state solution, with the two people living together, without apartheid. It's the most utopic but it's the only real stable solution... We will see in 50 years.

That would make the whole idea of Israel pointless and with the higher Palestinian birthrate it would quickly lead to an Arab majority.

This is true but it in no way invalidates anything swl said.
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2014, 05:55:32 PM »

How is a one state solution less stable than the current situation?
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2014, 07:48:33 PM »

How is a one state solution less stable than the current situation?

I didn't say it was less stable, only that it wouldn't be stable. You get a lot of conflict over the control of this state. Its only stable if the Jews give up and leave or are forced out. Basically a one state solution is the same as a Palestinian win in the long run. Its not a neutral solution.

Most desirable solution from a pro-Israeli POV is: Jordan is taken over by the Palestinian majority and united with most of the West Bank. The new state then recognizes Jerusalem as Israeli territory, but gets sovereignty over Islamic holy places.

But this would require the Palestinians to accept that they lost in 1948 and 1967 and can never regain the lost territory, something thats hard to reconcile with Arab mentality.





A stable solution, as you would call it, is not possible. Nor is one that does not favor the Arabs. Your ideal Israeli solution is ridiculous. Even the Israeli far-right don't believe that will happen or want it to happen (the Israeli right does not want to give up the West Bank at all, that's why they keep building settlements and why a 2 state solution will never happen). On the left, liberal Israelis don't take seriously the idea of Jordan as a "Palestinian state," that's a pure right-wing talking point, that has no place in enlightened society. It's like saying Mexican Americans shouldn't have political rights because Mexico is a country.
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WillipsBrighton
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2014, 08:00:39 PM »

To put it another way: The status of Jordan is completely irrelevant to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If someone even mentions Jordan it's a shibboleth that they're a Greater Israel advocate who isn't interested in peace at all.
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