Bush campaign releases devastating web ad against Trump

[dudeabides]

Ouch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=IgKWPcpwFDs

[dudeabides]

In normal circumstances, this should be a devastating ad. It probably would be campaign-killing for most candidates. But these-- unfortunately-- are not normal circumstances.

I agree to the extent that this is not an ordinary campaign, but I think it's devastating if you ask voters who have not yet decided on a candidate.

Ouch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=IgKWPcpwFDs

Wont make a difference. Bush is weak on the border and embraces another culture.

Running Jeb is like running Billy Carter (RIP)

Wow.

That's right. Americans dont want someone who embraces Mexico as their President. Mexico is a corrupt failed state that has invented nothing, discovered nothing and contributed nothing to humanity. You have an issue with that?

Most of the folks crossing the border are not Mexicans, but okay.

Your hero Donald Trump is not the first blonde-haired delusional wacko to claim one group causes all the nation's woes and supports socialism.....

Jeb Bush, his campaign, the mainstream media and dudeabides alike do not understand the party base.

The Republican Party is as divided as can be right now. There are multiple wings of the party. I'm part of the fiscally conservative wing of the party, but the tea party wing doesn't care because they are too caught up in their own anger and ignorance.

[dudeabides]

Trump is correct on 'single payer', it does work much better than the stale market orientated healthcare disaster that the US has.

Highlights from the comments

'Still don't care, Trump is still better than another Bush''

''Folks tend to change their mind when life experience shows that their original opinion or belief is no longer valid or was possibly wrong to begin with. I have certainly changed my mind as I have learned through time. I have voted for TWO of the Bush family for president. Considering the other candidates at the time it was not a hard choice. It is not a hard choice now. Trump 2016!''

''This video didn't really change my mind, and I think it's a weak attack. Trump was a private citizen most of his life, not a politician, and he seems to have naturally evolved his positions over time.''

''I like him even more after this video. He's a pragmatist and not a partisan. I'm a moderate republican and I think the rich should be paying more in taxes. The middle class is getting absolutely hosed in this country. Trump 2016!''

This is what a lot of real 'moderate Republicans' looks like, not the Beltway "moderates" like dudeabides (don't get me wrong, I'm probably closer to dudeabides than Trump on a lot of issues, but I don't kid myself thinking that I represent some majority of people).   Moderates are just extremists on a bunch of issues, but they tend to balance each other out.  Also, people vote more on identity rather than ideology.  That's just a fact.

First of all, I'm glad we are close on the issues. I understand there are some folks on this forum who dislike me because I take on the stupidity of Donald Trump, others think I'm nothing but a shill for the Bush campaign, and that's fine but in reality, I care very deeply about this country and the issues we face.

I talk politics with people on a regular basis. I live in a state where many Republicans are very moderate, we have some hardcore conservative, but a lot of moderates. I don't hear moderate Republicans talking about the same things Mr. Trump talks about. Most of the moderates I know are conservative fiscally, but are more open to same-sex marriage and some are even pro-choice. I myself have no issue with same-sex marriage, but I am very pro-life.

I think people vote primarily on the basis of who they believe will actually make a difference for them and their country. That's why I think the GOP should stick to bread & butter issues if we want to win, and we need that kind of campaign because this nation faces some serious economic challenges.

Also, I don't need polls to tell me what to think, but the fact is a majority of Republicans agree with many of the positions I hold, though I admit I'm more moderate on immigration and same-sex marriage.

[dudeabides]

Dear God look at all the damn idiots in the comment section.

"WOOT GO0000 TRUMP FCK BUSH, JEB JUST DOESN'T GET IT!"

Get what? The fact you are riding an absolute clown's tail who can't even decide which political party (4 in the past 15 years) he is interested in being in? Somebody who will literally bullsh**t his way into whatever staunch social conservatives want to hear? I hate my party having a base of an idiots, it truly pains me sometimes.

So many idiots it hurts, truly hurts.

Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

Ronald Reagan was a rock solid conservative as President. He was the first President to implement a Mexico City policy, he signed historic tax relief into law, he reduced regulations, he had a Fed. Chairman who had a good monetary policy, he supported strict constructionist judges, he took on the air traffic control union and won, and he reformed social security on a bi-partisan basis.

Yet, he granted amnesty to illegals in 1986 and he expanded medicaid. I have criticized John Kasich and Chris Christie for expanding medicaid, and I disagree with Reagan on that issue. But I have not called Kasich a liberal, nor would I call Reagan a liberal. Unfortunately, some in the modern Republican Party would.

There are two issues where Jeb Bush is in the minority with the GOP base. First, his position on illegal immigration, I share his views on this. The base says he supports "amnesty," that is factually incorrect. In fact, 51% of Republicans polled support a pathway to citizenship, that is actually a position to the left of mine and Governor Bush's. The second issue is Common Core, what is interesting here is that it is a complete lie that the federal government created common core, it's state driven and Jeb Bush has said he doesn't want the federal government being involved with educational standards. I personally oppose Common Core and want my state to opt-out, Chris Christie was ready to embrace common core until he decided to run for President. I'm glad we are opting-out.

But let's forget about Jeb Bush here. I have had enough of some in the tea party making false claims about Republicans who don't agree with them 100% of the time. There are plenty of Republicans I like who I don't agree with on every issue. Some are moderate, some are conservative. Even the tea party isn't consistently conservative - their opposition to trade promotion authority is based on paranoia, it's not fact based. I don't see the point in trying to agree with everyone 100% of the time because no one can find another person they always agree with. That's the main issue I have with people like Ted Cruz, if you aren't with them on one issue, you are cast as a "RINO." It seems the most popular figures in today's conservative AND liberal movements have accomplished nothing. What did Barack Obama accomplish before 2008? What has Ted Cruz accomplished? NOTHING.

[dudeabides]

Dear God look at all the damn idiots in the comment section.

"WOOT GO0000 TRUMP FCK BUSH, JEB JUST DOESN'T GET IT!"

Get what? The fact you are riding an absolute clown's tail who can't even decide which political party (4 in the past 15 years) he is interested in being in? Somebody who will literally bullsh**t his way into whatever staunch social conservatives want to hear? I hate my party having a base of an idiots, it truly pains me sometimes.

So many idiots it hurts, truly hurts.

Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

Ronald Reagan was a rock solid conservative as President. He was the first President to implement a Mexico City policy, he signed historic tax relief into law, he reduced regulations, he had a Fed. Chairman who had a good monetary policy, he supported strict constructionist judges, he took on the air traffic control union and won, and he reformed social security on a bi-partisan basis.

Yet, he granted amnesty to illegals in 1986 and he expanded medicaid. I have criticized John Kasich and Chris Christie for expanding medicaid, and I disagree with Reagan on that issue. But I have not called Kasich a liberal, nor would I call Reagan a liberal. Unfortunately, some in the modern Republican Party would.

There are two issues where Jeb Bush is in the minority with the GOP base. First, his position on illegal immigration, I share his views on this. The base says he supports "amnesty," that is factually incorrect. In fact, 51% of Republicans polled support a pathway to citizenship, that is actually a position to the left of mine and Governor Bush's. The second issue is Common Core, what is interesting here is that it is a complete lie that the federal government created common core, it's state driven and Jeb Bush has said he doesn't want the federal government being involved with educational standards. I personally oppose Common Core and want my state to opt-out, Chris Christie was ready to embrace common core until he decided to run for President. I'm glad we are opting-out.

But let's forget about Jeb Bush here. I have had enough of some in the tea party making false claims about Republicans who don't agree with them 100% of the time. There are plenty of Republicans I like who I don't agree with on every issue. Some are moderate, some are conservative. Even the tea party isn't consistently conservative - their opposition to trade promotion authority is based on paranoia, it's not fact based. I don't see the point in trying to agree with everyone 100% of the time because no one can find another person they always agree with. That's the main issue I have with people like Ted Cruz, if you aren't with them on one issue, you are cast as a "RINO." It seems the most popular figures in today's conservative AND liberal movements have accomplished nothing. What did Barack Obama accomplish before 2008? What has Ted Cruz accomplished? NOTHING.

In a way Bush is like Huntsman. Everyone thought Huntsman was a sane moderate. Truth was as Gov he was pretty conservative. However, there were a few issues where he antagonized the GOP base. He ended up with 1%. Bush has done the same thing but immigration and common core are more important to the Base than anything Huntsman pissed them off about.

Conservative or not. Bush has gone out of his way to piss off primary voters. Fact is history was cruel to Yeb when he lost in FL in 1994. Had we won, I am sure he, not GW would have been president in 2000 and Yeb would have likely won a much bigger victory in both the EC and won the NPV by 1-3%. Carrying FL easily along with OR, IA, NM maybe even MI and PA. Closer to 300 EVs not 271. Much of the acrimony in the country today (not all) stems from Bush 2000.

But Yeb missed his chance and there is no way he will ever be elected.

Jeb may well be elected, but it won't be easy.

I agree with the highlighted part of dudeabides post.  Oddly enough, it's this syndrome that's produced the Trump phenomienon as much as anything.  The Tea Party nit-pickers say "You haven't voted perfectly!  You're a RINO!"  Somehow, this isn't as relevant to YOUR life as Donald Trump saying to this competition, "I've don BIG things and you can't find the bathroom!  You're a LOSER!"  Voters don't really care about the first, but they care very much about the second because a loser as President negatively impacts their lives.  And, so far, they agree with Trump's "loser" assessments.

What is really odd to me is these folks who won't allow anyone who doesn't agree with them 100% of the time speak are now all for Trump and ignoring his socialist ideals. The problem is, people see someone who speaks their mind and isn't from Washington and they put their own ideas, values, and even ideology aside just to have some outsider be elected. I am very much interested in seeing candidates talk about their ideas, though I do believe Jeb Bush and others need to attack Donald Trump on his personal life in addition to his radical views to stop him. I think what we are seeing is that folks are no longer responding to issues, but to the cult of a personality. When Donald Trump says Jeb Bush is "low energy" it means more to some than Jeb Bush attacking Trump as a leftist. It's very sad because this country relies on people making good judgement calls, the voters made such calls in 2004, 2000, 1988 (sort of but Jack Kemp would have been better), 1984, 1980, 1956, 1952, 1924, and 1920 in both primaries and general elections.

Think about how the country would have been under Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Jesse Jackson, David Duke, Lyndon LaRouche, Pat Buchanan, or Al Sharpton. We wouldn't be the country we are today, and if we elect Donald Trump, we will no longer be the country we have always been. The general election next year will be about the economy and foreign policy, it will be a referendum on Washington's policies. But this primary has become something else. It's become a question of if America will still be America. People who support Donald Trump are basically saying they want our country to be something it is not; a racist, socialist country. That's why the top priority of the GOP must be to deny Donald Trump the nomination, it's about saving America.

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I really hope your checks don't bounce. It would be awful if Jeb decided not to pay you for all this cheerleading.

I know you love the idea of your party facing white supremacist Donald Trump in a general election, I can't blame you I'd feel the same way. 

[dudeabides]

Dear God look at all the damn idiots in the comment section.

"WOOT GO0000 TRUMP FCK BUSH, JEB JUST DOESN'T GET IT!"

Get what? The fact you are riding an absolute clown's tail who can't even decide which political party (4 in the past 15 years) he is interested in being in? Somebody who will literally bullsh**t his way into whatever staunch social conservatives want to hear? I hate my party having a base of an idiots, it truly pains me sometimes.

So many idiots it hurts, truly hurts.

Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

Ronald Reagan was a rock solid conservative as President. He was the first President to implement a Mexico City policy, he signed historic tax relief into law, he reduced regulations, he had a Fed. Chairman who had a good monetary policy, he supported strict constructionist judges, he took on the air traffic control union and won, and he reformed social security on a bi-partisan basis.

Yet, he granted amnesty to illegals in 1986 and he expanded medicaid. I have criticized John Kasich and Chris Christie for expanding medicaid, and I disagree with Reagan on that issue. But I have not called Kasich a liberal, nor would I call Reagan a liberal. Unfortunately, some in the modern Republican Party would.

There are two issues where Jeb Bush is in the minority with the GOP base. First, his position on illegal immigration, I share his views on this. The base says he supports "amnesty," that is factually incorrect. In fact, 51% of Republicans polled support a pathway to citizenship, that is actually a position to the left of mine and Governor Bush's. The second issue is Common Core, what is interesting here is that it is a complete lie that the federal government created common core, it's state driven and Jeb Bush has said he doesn't want the federal government being involved with educational standards. I personally oppose Common Core and want my state to opt-out, Chris Christie was ready to embrace common core until he decided to run for President. I'm glad we are opting-out.

But let's forget about Jeb Bush here. I have had enough of some in the tea party making false claims about Republicans who don't agree with them 100% of the time. There are plenty of Republicans I like who I don't agree with on every issue. Some are moderate, some are conservative. Even the tea party isn't consistently conservative - their opposition to trade promotion authority is based on paranoia, it's not fact based. I don't see the point in trying to agree with everyone 100% of the time because no one can find another person they always agree with. That's the main issue I have with people like Ted Cruz, if you aren't with them on one issue, you are cast as a "RINO." It seems the most popular figures in today's conservative AND liberal movements have accomplished nothing. What did Barack Obama accomplish before 2008? What has Ted Cruz accomplished? NOTHING.

In a way Bush is like Huntsman. Everyone thought Huntsman was a sane moderate. Truth was as Gov he was pretty conservative. However, there were a few issues where he antagonized the GOP base. He ended up with 1%. Bush has done the same thing but immigration and common core are more important to the Base than anything Huntsman pissed them off about.

Conservative or not. Bush has gone out of his way to piss off primary voters. Fact is history was cruel to Yeb when he lost in FL in 1994. Had we won, I am sure he, not GW would have been president in 2000 and Yeb would have likely won a much bigger victory in both the EC and won the NPV by 1-3%. Carrying FL easily along with OR, IA, NM maybe even MI and PA. Closer to 300 EVs not 271. Much of the acrimony in the country today (not all) stems from Bush 2000.

But Yeb missed his chance and there is no way he will ever be elected.

Jeb may well be elected, but it won't be easy.

I agree with the highlighted part of dudeabides post.  Oddly enough, it's this syndrome that's produced the Trump phenomienon as much as anything.  The Tea Party nit-pickers say "You haven't voted perfectly!  You're a RINO!"  Somehow, this isn't as relevant to YOUR life as Donald Trump saying to this competition, "I've don BIG things and you can't find the bathroom!  You're a LOSER!"  Voters don't really care about the first, but they care very much about the second because a loser as President negatively impacts their lives.  And, so far, they agree with Trump's "loser" assessments.

What is really odd to me is these folks who won't allow anyone who doesn't agree with them 100% of the time speak are now all for Trump and ignoring his socialist ideals. The problem is, people see someone who speaks their mind and isn't from Washington and they put their own ideas, values, and even ideology aside just to have some outsider be elected. I am very much interested in seeing candidates talk about their ideas, though I do believe Jeb Bush and others need to attack Donald Trump on his personal life in addition to his radical views to stop him. I think what we are seeing is that folks are no longer responding to issues, but to the cult of a personality. When Donald Trump says Jeb Bush is "low energy" it means more to some than Jeb Bush attacking Trump as a leftist. It's very sad because this country relies on people making good judgement calls, the voters made such calls in 2004, 2000, 1988 (sort of but Jack Kemp would have been better), 1984, 1980, 1956, 1952, 1924, and 1920 in both primaries and general elections.

Think about how the country would have been under Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Jesse Jackson, David Duke, Lyndon LaRouche, Pat Buchanan, or Al Sharpton. We wouldn't be the country we are today, and if we elect Donald Trump, we will no longer be the country we have always been. The general election next year will be about the economy and foreign policy, it will be a referendum on Washington's policies. But this primary has become something else. It's become a question of if America will still be America. People who support Donald Trump are basically saying they want our country to be something it is not; a racist, socialist country. That's why the top priority of the GOP must be to deny Donald Trump the nomination, it's about saving America.

Perhaps the reaso they don't attack Trump on his personal life is that they know (or at least believe) that they live in gglass houses.  You think finding dirt on Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or even Jeb Bush is overly taxing for Donald Trump? 

The problem for Mr. Trump is, even the personal problems the three candidates you mentioned have are more relate-able to the average person. Scott Walker didn't complete college because he was offered a job, most Americans didn't go to college. Marco Rubio's house that went into foreclosure relates to thousands if not millions of Americans who have been in foreclosure, his GOP credit card issue is a bigger deal though. Jeb Bush's daughter was addicted to prescription drugs a decade ago, thousands and millions of people have that same issue and she is no longer an addict. Jeb Bush's wife had an impulse to purchase expensive gifts, while the amount Jeb paid for these gifts doesn't relate to the ordinary person, her issue is relateable and she is over that now.

The typical American doesn't marry someone who's only accomplishment is they posed in front of some cameras. Most Americans are not spending money to send their 21 year old daughter to the Hamptons. Also, when most Americans go into bankruptcy, it's because they lose a small business or don't have the means to make ends meet, it's not with BILLIONS of dollars in their bank accounts. No other American that I know of besides Donald Trump drove an entire football league into the ground. Some people in this day and age do profit off of frivolous lawsuits, but few have the means to enter into as many as Mr. Trump. He's out of touch with the American people on a personal level.