What Comes After: A 2024 Game (Signup/Discussion)

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Well, my first choices (Kamala Harris, AOC) are already taken... and I feel there's a need in the air for a change figure, similar to 2008...

Could I play as Raphael Warnock?

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May I run as Tammy Baldwin?

I would like to see if we can fill the rest of the list. If this isn't completed we could do that.

Well, my first choices (Kamala Harris, AOC) are already taken... and I feel there's a need in the air for a change figure, similar to 2008...

Could I play as Raphael Warnock?

I specifically rejected Warnock from being on the list when I set this up.

Let's fill the list folks.

Unfortunately, none of the individuals on the list (except maybe for Buttigeig) interest me very much, and I'd rather not run as a sitting Cabinet member.

My next choice would probably be Mike Pence, actually.

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KaiserDave, I apologize that I didn't ask this earlier, but do you mind if I have Pence run as an Independent, rather than a Republican? I don't think he'd be comfortable running for the nomination of a party that tried to have him murdered four years earlier.

If you say no, he'll seek the Republican nomination (I'm okay with that), but I thought I'd ask anyways.

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Reading Pete's body of work, and I'm not sure if any of you are ready for how corny the second gay President of the United States will be.

I'm assuming the first was Buchanan.

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Reading Pete's body of work, and I'm not sure if any of you are ready for how corny the second gay President of the United States will be.

I'm assuming the first was Buchanan.

Presumably. As an accredited Peteologist, I have evidence of him saying it was statistically almost certain that America had great gay president(s).

Given Buchanan literally committed treason by going out of his way to aid the South during the run up to the Civil War, he was NOT a great gay President. (Look for that as a Pence attack line at some point).

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Reading Pete's body of work, and I'm not sure if any of you are ready for how corny the second gay President of the United States will be.

I'm assuming the first was Buchanan.

Presumably. As an accredited Peteologist, I have evidence of him saying it was statistically almost certain that America had great gay president(s).

Given Buchanan literally committed treason by going out of his way to aid the South during the run up to the Civil War, he was NOT a great gay President. (Look for that as a Pence attack line at some point).

So what will that sound like? "Buchanan was gay and he started the civil war! Don't vote for Buttigieg!"?

I probably wouldn't mention Buttigeig's sexuality (as much as it would be in character for Pence to do so, that's not where I'd want to go with that ad).

It would be more like:

"Pete Buttigeig openly admires James Buchanan, a man who aided the South in attempting to uphold slavery and walk away from our great union, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives. Is this what we want in our President?"

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That's so blasé for a Republican attack. Where's Carlson-inspired allegations that he's not even gay to begin with or the line from the Michigan GOP Co-Chair that's he a "weak little girl" for wanting to move away from gas-powered vehicles?

It's Mike Pence, not Marjorie Taylor Greene. Pence isn't going to go cuckoo-bananas with those types of attacks. (Besides, he's basically accusing Buttigeig wanting to commit treason, or did you not notice that subtext?)

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Will the game begin in January of 2023? And is it fine if some candidates don't announce their runs until later on?

I personally think later makes more sense. There's no way some candidates (like DeSantis) are going to announce that early (for that matter, Harris won't either, I presume).

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Jumping in as Kari Lake

I'm sorry but there's so much room for conspiracy theorizing wackos (and in any case, if you want to go there, you're better off with Marjorie Taylor Greene anyways. At least she won her race in 2022).

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NYE could you please do not respond to every little thing people do, it serves only to clog up the thread and it's not going to help your campaign. You can convey your criticisms of other campaigns in a more concise way, or attack them during debates.

And Pink Panther, while most of your post is fine, there is no reason why a Scottish Labour politician would support your campaign or even be remotely involved. I'm voiding that and asking you to ask me if you want to do something like that.

I admit, I probably shouldn't have responded to Newsom (and I probably should have taken the high road with Kamala and ignored her), but responding to Lake and Lindell makes sense, as that's my parties primary.

Since you are voiding the reference to Alexander, I'll remove my references to him as well.

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NYE could you please do not respond to every little thing people do, it serves only to clog up the thread and it's not going to help your campaign. You can convey your criticisms of other campaigns in a more concise way, or attack them during debates.

And Pink Panther, while most of your post is fine, there is no reason why a Scottish Labour politician would support your campaign or even be remotely involved. I'm voiding that and asking you to ask me if you want to do something like that.

I admit, I probably shouldn't have responded to Newsom (and I probably should have taken the high road with Kamala and ignored her), but responding to Lake and Lindell makes sense, as that's my parties primary.

Since you are voiding the reference to Alexander, I'll remove my references to him as well.

I'm asking you not to respond to every little thing people do in separate posts. It doesn't contribute anything. It's not a matter of strategy it's a matter of game function and it doesn't help your campaign. We don't need to know why you're punching down against Mike Lindell. If you want to make a speech against election denialism, do that, just don't respond to every little thing people say or we'll have a lot of clogging.

I probably can combine things into more than one post (at least in theory), or just ignore certain candidates (especially Democrats) right now.

But you are asking me to dramatically change how I approach these games, and that's very difficult.

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NYE could you please do not respond to every little thing people do, it serves only to clog up the thread and it's not going to help your campaign. You can convey your criticisms of other campaigns in a more concise way, or attack them during debates.

And Pink Panther, while most of your post is fine, there is no reason why a Scottish Labour politician would support your campaign or even be remotely involved. I'm voiding that and asking you to ask me if you want to do something like that.

I admit, I probably shouldn't have responded to Newsom (and I probably should have taken the high road with Kamala and ignored her), but responding to Lake and Lindell makes sense, as that's my parties primary.

Since you are voiding the reference to Alexander, I'll remove my references to him as well.

I'm asking you not to respond to every little thing people do in separate posts. It doesn't contribute anything. It's not a matter of strategy it's a matter of game function and it doesn't help your campaign. We don't need to know why you're punching down against Mike Lindell. If you want to make a speech against election denialism, do that, just don't respond to every little thing people say or we'll have a lot of clogging.

I probably can combine things into more than one post (at least in theory), or just ignore certain candidates (especially Democrats) right now.

But you are asking me to dramatically change how I approach these games, and that's very difficult.

Yes that's exactly what I'm asking. Making random attacks on other candidates without developing an effective brand and marketing that brand to voters does not a campaign make. If that's a dramatic change to how you usually play maybe that's for the best. And the way you're doing it right now piecemeal isn't contributory.

On the plus side, now that I have my announcement speech done, I should be done for the turn unless I'm attacked, someone says something/does something I need to respond to (hopefully that doesn't happen) or there's some news that I should respond to (also hopefully that doesn't happen).

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Stone vs. Pence

While making his announcement speech in Ames, IA, former Vice President Mike Pence was interrupted and heckled by fellow Republican candidate Roger Stone. Stone, with a full-on camera crew documenting every angle at his side, laid out the seeming dishonesty and hypocrisy coming from Pence's rhetoric regarding Donald Trump. The full remarks from Stone's ambush follows:

"You're a damn dirty liar, Mike Pence! First you spend four years sucking up to President Trump, begging for his endorsement in 2024, and now what? Now you call him a failure? Now you call him the biggest mistake of your life?

You've just given a big middle finger to the tens of millions of Americans who voted for you and Donald Trump to make this country great again! Ladies and gentlemen, he couldn't defend us on January 6th, and now the man won't even defend his own administration! What the hell sort of record can he even claim to run on?

Why don't you just drop out now and save us the trouble, man?"

As security arrived to escort Stone and the crew out of the stadium, Stone added: "Here comes the Washington establishment's finest to silence any opposing viewpoints. This is why I'm running, folks! RogerStone.com! Jail Biden, Free Trump!"

Just as the Vice President was ready to resume his remarks, one last cry from Stone was heard: "Asshole!"

The ambush in Ames, along with the full course of events leading up to it, was meticulously documented and crafted into a slick, glossy campaign video and mini-documentary titled "Stone vs. Pence." Upon its release the day after, it quickly became a viral sensation—the first of its kind this campaign season.

Is this sort of inter-candidate interaction, made by own player, allowed? Reminds me of what PinkPanther did in the other 2024 game, and that just made things more chaotic. Not saying I wouldn't expect this from Stone if he was running against Pence IRL, but still.

Player playing as Pence speaking: As long as it doesn't get too ridiculous, I'd be fine with it (though if I were to drop out, I suppose I could coordinate with the Kari Lake player to have her kill Pence...)

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Stone vs. Pence

While making his announcement speech in Ames, IA, former Vice President Mike Pence was interrupted and heckled by fellow Republican candidate Roger Stone. Stone, with a full-on camera crew documenting every angle at his side, laid out the seeming dishonesty and hypocrisy coming from Pence's rhetoric regarding Donald Trump. The full remarks from Stone's ambush follows:

"You're a damn dirty liar, Mike Pence! First you spend four years sucking up to President Trump, begging for his endorsement in 2024, and now what? Now you call him a failure? Now you call him the biggest mistake of your life?

You've just given a big middle finger to the tens of millions of Americans who voted for you and Donald Trump to make this country great again! Ladies and gentlemen, he couldn't defend us on January 6th, and now the man won't even defend his own administration! What the hell sort of record can he even claim to run on?

Why don't you just drop out now and save us the trouble, man?"

As security arrived to escort Stone and the crew out of the stadium, Stone added: "Here comes the Washington establishment's finest to silence any opposing viewpoints. This is why I'm running, folks! RogerStone.com! Jail Biden, Free Trump!"

Just as the Vice President was ready to resume his remarks, one last cry from Stone was heard: "Asshole!"

The ambush in Ames, along with the full course of events leading up to it, was meticulously documented and crafted into a slick, glossy campaign video and mini-documentary titled "Stone vs. Pence." Upon its release the day after, it quickly became a viral sensation—the first of its kind this campaign season.

Is this sort of inter-candidate interaction, made by own player, allowed? Reminds me of what PinkPanther did in the other 2024 game, and that just made things more chaotic. Not saying I wouldn't expect this from Stone if he was running against Pence IRL, but still.

Player playing as Pence speaking: As long as it doesn't get too ridiculous, I'd be fine with it (though if I were to drop out, I suppose I could coordinate with the Kari Lake player to have her kill Pence...)

....What the hell?

Just idle musing. I'm not leaving the race any time soon, but Pence is more vulnerable to being killed than any other candidate (except Harris, and she gets Secret Service protection).

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Hello folks. Ypestis (D-NYC) has offered to play as Al Gore, he's a friend and a brilliant player, but I understand this could be disruptive or shake up the dynamics of the game which might already be settled.

But, considering that Pritzker and AOC are inactive, I think it's pretty fair for someone else to take up the space left behind and Gore and JB have similar-ish lanes.

Ypestis has offered to take JB if AFE consents and if people reject Gore.

So, do you think Gore is fair game? I know Spiral will probably be in favor.

(Working on the debate, keep posting and will make the debate once this is settled)

I'd be willing to switch from Pence to AOC (either by having Pence drop out or by him becoming an NPC) if this is an issue.

Gore 2024 is way too ridiculous.

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After seeing the bad reactions to Noem's debate responses (not that I can blame Kaiser - I myself feel they weren't that great and that some of the other candidates' were honestly better), and, moreover, her terrible polling, I was seriously on the verge of announcing Noem dropping out, since it seemed hopeless...that is, until I saw her actually doing decently in Iowa. Will stay in for now, but I need to make sure she puts up a decent performance in Iowa. If she does badly, I'll make her the first drop-out of the contest (second, come to think of it, after Mike Pence).

Speaking of which, be on the lookout for a possible Pence endorsement sometime around the New Hampshire Primary (It'll probably be Haley, but I wouldn't completely rule out endorsing Youngkin or DeSantis.)

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After seeing the bad reactions to Noem's debate responses (not that I can blame Kaiser - I myself feel they weren't that great and that some of the other candidates' were honestly better), and, moreover, her terrible polling, I was seriously on the verge of announcing Noem dropping out, since it seemed hopeless...that is, until I saw her actually doing decently in Iowa. Will stay in for now, but I need to make sure she puts up a decent performance in Iowa. If she does badly, I'll make her the first drop-out of the contest (second, come to think of it, after Mike Pence).

Speaking of which, be on the lookout for a possible Pence endorsement sometime around the New Hampshire Primary (It'll probably be Haley, but I wouldn't completely rule out endorsing Youngkin or DeSantis.)

No offence, but after everything you've had Pence say and do, a Pence endorsement would, if anything, be more of a liability (if it mattered at all).

That's certainly plausible. I'm certainly not above tanking a candidacy like DeSantis's (or Hawley's).

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After seeing the bad reactions to Noem's debate responses (not that I can blame Kaiser - I myself feel they weren't that great and that some of the other candidates' were honestly better), and, moreover, her terrible polling, I was seriously on the verge of announcing Noem dropping out, since it seemed hopeless...that is, until I saw her actually doing decently in Iowa. Will stay in for now, but I need to make sure she puts up a decent performance in Iowa. If she does badly, I'll make her the first drop-out of the contest (second, come to think of it, after Mike Pence).

Speaking of which, be on the lookout for a possible Pence endorsement sometime around the New Hampshire Primary (It'll probably be Haley, but I wouldn't completely rule out endorsing Youngkin or DeSantis.)

This is a lie. Mike Pence is endorsing Lin Wood at his wedding to Wanda Sykes and Tulsi Gabbard

I didn't know he was even invited!

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After seeing the bad reactions to Noem's debate responses (not that I can blame Kaiser - I myself feel they weren't that great and that some of the other candidates' were honestly better), and, moreover, her terrible polling, I was seriously on the verge of announcing Noem dropping out, since it seemed hopeless...that is, until I saw her actually doing decently in Iowa. Will stay in for now, but I need to make sure she puts up a decent performance in Iowa. If she does badly, I'll make her the first drop-out of the contest (second, come to think of it, after Mike Pence).

Speaking of which, be on the lookout for a possible Pence endorsement sometime around the New Hampshire Primary (It'll probably be Haley, but I wouldn't completely rule out endorsing Youngkin or DeSantis.)

This is a lie. Mike Pence is endorsing Lin Wood at his wedding to Wanda Sykes and Tulsi Gabbard

I didn't know he was even invited!

I read that all of the candidates were invited for the wedding and slumber party at his tree house.

Clearly my invitation got lost in the mail.

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New Harris Strategy:
If this Vice President can't have the White House, no Vice President will.

Kind of glad Pence is out right now.

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Not willing to play a character, but if debate moderators are needed (especially for the general election), I'd be happy to do that.

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Checking in.

So, how do people feel now about their availability?

I'd be willing to moderate a debate or two if asked.